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Ride Page Beta Release

Mat Gordon
posted this on October 1, 2013, 8:55 AM

Over the past 9 months, we've been laying the foundation for our new cycling activity pages and we’re excited to be able to take the next step in bringing them to you. Some of the improvements include:

New Charts

We threw out our old charts and paved the way for an entirely new charting experience. Our new charts are easier to use, significantly more powerful, and are just stunning to look at.

Deeper Analysis

We've built an entirely new way to analyze your rides. You can zoom in on custom sections, laps, and Strava segments and the map and elevation chart will follow your every move. Instant averages and maxes are displayed as you pan and zoom giving you complete control to obsess over your ride.

Top Notch Premium Analysis

We've revamped the entire premium experience with bigger, better charts. Our power analysis now includes map and elevation chart integration to show you exactly where on your ride you put out peak power.

Segment Improvements

We've made it faster to see how your effort stacked up against yourself and the entire Strava community. Mini-leaderboards make it easier to dive in and out of specific efforts on your ride.

Much More Coming

We will never stop improving this page as it is so core to the Strava experience. We've got lots more planned in the coming months.

 

Over the next month, we'll be inviting more and more users to try the new page out. During this opt-in period, you can go back and forth between the old and new pages. Keep in mind that the new pages are in beta mode, meaning some of the functionality is not quite perfect. We’ll be working around the clock to tidy up the experience. You can tell us what you think of the new page below.

 

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Wilson Tran

I just wanted to echo some previous points that my stationary trainer rides have lost all their power/hr/speed/cadence/etc vs time/distance charts as of a few days ago.  I get them back if I edit the activity and uncheck the stationary trainer option

January 17, 2014, 9:57 AM
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Ed Warner

Elle, 

Awesome job at nats!  Good luck at Worlds!

Like has been pointed out many times, the segment comparison feature is sorely missed in the new pages.  The default map size is too wide and short, but I like being able to grab the slider to make it as big as I want it.  I also miss the ability for garminsync/copymysports to be able to transfer temperature data along with an activity.

Ed

January 16, 2014, 5:43 PM
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Elle Anderson
Community Support

Hello -

I wanted to jump in specifically regarding the seemingly random switch between the new page and the old page when clicking to view activities. This is a known issue and has to do with the fairly intensive process of rendering the new pages from the old pages each time. When we officially release the new pages we will fix this problem. 

For the other comments, thanks for adding your feedback here! Please keep your comments coming. 

 

January 16, 2014, 5:30 PM
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Mark V

Getting exactly the same as Sean H Above - randomly appears or not,  It was working a few days ago but since the last update (yesterday?), the heartrate/cadence/speed graph is missing and this is across three different browsers and two different OS's (Firefox 26, Safari and IE11) - me thinks that last update broke something and a roll back might be in order?

January 16, 2014, 4:13 PM
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Phil Lam

The new page looks great, but for stationary/trainer activities, it doesn't show time-plot of HR or Power...

January 16, 2014, 6:04 AM
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Chris Q

^ That happens to me as well. The run pages are even worse.

January 15, 2014, 6:24 PM
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Sean Hurley

I can not understand why the new page randomly appears sometimes when I click an activity.  Other times I click the same activity and I get the old page.  Sometimes I click "try the new ride page" and nothing happens… other times it does.  Also, the new page seems not to show who else was on the ride - you can only see this on the activity feed. Also, worst of all, for today's trainer workout, I can't see a graph of my heart rate and cadence- just a blank square that says laps!  Overall, not impressed with the new page at all.  

January 15, 2014, 5:34 PM
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Ken Hum

Lynn Guyot is absolutely correct about the description suddenly becoming public. These weren't displayed before and now they're suddenly shared with everyone. There needs to be an option.

January 15, 2014, 12:58 PM
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Snusmumrik .

I think that people disagreeing whether the new page is good or bad is largely a question of the specific patterns of use of the individual giving the feedback. In my mind, there is no question that some aspects of the new page are better, but some aspects are very much worse too.

Some people simply use Strava in such a way that they predominantly experience the changes that are good or bad for them. What this means for Strava is that they should listen to every bit of feedback, determine its use pattern context and take both into account, so as not to simply keep or change something based on the position (for or against) that wins out on balance or most resembles their own inital stance on the development of the page.

People have wildly diverse patterns of use, and some patterns of use are probably more widespread than others, but it's a definite step back to release the new page in a form that gives a worse user experience for widespread patterns of use, even if it improves the experience for others with differing patterns of use.

It's of course a judgement call, when to draw the line, but based on the feedback and development of the new running pages, I'm somewhat concerned that Strava will make minimal changes to the new page, thus alienating a large portion of its user base. The lack of feedback from Strava in this thread is definitely not a good sign.

January 9, 2014, 3:09 AM
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Mark Read
Sorry I agree that the old version is better to analyse a segment as you can see speed vs gradient on a nice big chart easily and also compare yours a friends and the KOMs all at once to see where to push hard on them peddles
January 9, 2014, 1:37 AM
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Jorge Babb… I.

My layout is all wonky but when I click on a friends ride the layout is shown with no issues.  I'm using Chrome version 33.0.1750.5 dev-m.

I attached a copy of my ride and a friends.

January 8, 2014, 8:34 AM
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jason whitwell

can you make it so you only use old way or classic.   

 

January 7, 2014, 2:53 PM
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Martin Smith

There is one main reason iam still using classic mode.

No comparison function.

 

January 7, 2014, 2:24 PM
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Marco Giardini

Simply perfect. I hope it becomes default soon!!
Timing??

:-)

January 7, 2014, 8:39 AM
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Michael Simms

My only real complaint about the activity page is that it focuses too much on the elevation profile. In other words, when you view an activity you are, by default, only shown the elevation profile and you have to click a few buttons to get any other data, such as speed, cadence, of heart rate. This is slightly annoying because the elevation profile is completely and utterly useless to me since I live in Florida and the nearest hill is about 300 miles away. The elevation profiles on my rides are extremely boring (like 60 miles with no elevation change kind of boring). Is there any way I can have it default to showing speed instead?

January 2, 2014, 8:09 PM
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Darin Snyder

I have one question/suggestion. After the first couple segments, the map and elevation profile are no longer visible on the screen. So you can’t see the segment’s location on the map and elevation profile, which are great features on the ride page. Is there a plan to make the segment list separately scrollable, so the map and elevation profile could stay visible as you go through a longer list of segments?

December 30, 2013, 3:56 PM
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Snusmumrik .

It seems Strava is now (intentionally?) making the old cycling pages worse, even removing features that seem to now only be found in the still inferior new cycling pages.

In the old layout it is now no longer possible to view if others participated in a ride, when viewing an activity.

Also, there's now a "Ride" designation before every ride name on the same line, in the same font and in the same size as the ride name. This is both confusing, unnecessary and ugly.

 

December 29, 2013, 4:19 PM
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Mediana Mediana

I really dislike the new page.

In segment view the chart and map are too small without speed, max power !!

The the leaderboard is to small without max power !

Comparison is something almost away. ;p

When  analyzing effort on segment the elevation - speed, max power are in the right side - this is uncomfortable ! - 

 

Why change something which is good??????? 

New ride page is hard to read (especially charts) and in my opinion it won't be a good change. 

Old page was very clear, now is bad. :(

I am not a fan of the new layout, a have to choose the old page.

M..

December 29, 2013, 4:36 AM
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Chris Waszak

Until this is perfected, can we change the settings so it doesn't come up?  I like the old page as it is... just want to be able to sort by each column in the segments section :)

December 28, 2013, 6:00 PM
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Alain H

I just wish you'd pick a theme and stick with it. Having both old and new running alongside each other is messy.

I opted in at the start, but lately I mostly get the old layout by default which only changes after repeated clicks of the opt-in link. I say 'mostly' because sometimes I will get the new layout. This apparent randomness, and not knowing how my ride data will be presented each time I view it, is off-putting.

End the experiment in concurrency. Go forward or don't.

December 26, 2013, 7:26 PM
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Huntley Nash

I am not a fan of the new layout. Please give the option of running the older layout. I like clicking on my ride or someone elses ride and being able to see avg and max hr, speed, etc all listed in a organized box on the right. Now I have to click 3 different buttons and scroll down to some chart that is not convenient and is downright a worse setup.

December 26, 2013, 9:06 AM
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jason whitwell

not a fan of the way the segments are now displayed on graph .   dull gray only when you are on the sgment name does not work imo.  Do love the site though

December 21, 2013, 8:28 AM
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Johan Levinson

Nice layout, just scrolled checked it briefly. I really liked the segment overlaps (gray fields).

One thing came to my mind: in the segment list of my ride I have 5 hidden segments, but the new layout refers to this as "5 hidden efforts". Replacing "efforts" with "segments" will be more readable.

Other suggestion: Personal segment leader-board with dates of my rides instead of other people would be most welcome. Thereby I can compare my rides easily.

December 17, 2013, 12:10 PM
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Axel Kramer

Just saw the new ride page - on a first glimpse it looks a bit messy. I haven't checked all details, but there is now a lot of information in different layouts which makes it difficult to read.

 

I.e. if you take the segment overview. Before it had a clear and simple layout, i.e. name, category, length etc. Now it oncludes much more information but with a mix of layouts. The name and information such as length, gradient is mixed into each other.

Not easy I would say...

December 17, 2013, 7:30 AM
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Snusmumrik .

Perhaps also add the date as well to the analysis pages to further identify a ride in those cases, where names are identical.

December 15, 2013, 10:51 AM
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Snusmumrik .

If you're keeping the premium analysis features of power and heart rate on completely separate pages instead of in their own box or tab placed on the overview page or analysis page (which I would prefer), then please add the name of the ride to the power and heart rate pages instead of simply noting that it is "Your ride".

Please add the name of the ride to the main analysis page as well.

Comparing different but similar rides can otherwise be unnecessarily difficult and time consuming, as you have to navigate away from the analysis pages and back to the overview page to identify a particular ride with certainty.

December 15, 2013, 10:48 AM
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Peter Heller

So much cool stuff!  I especially like seeing the segments on the charts.  Things I don't want to lose:   I love the comparison feature - not so much with KOM, but against my friends and followers - couldn't find that.  Also, when I look at MY RESULTS, I like the filter to see this month, this year, etc.  Unfortunately, my best times are often a year ago, so I often look more recently.  But, I'd like to see a bit more color - that grey graph is too light.  The segment bars also too light.  I also think that they should light up if they are a record.

Separately, I often set targets for myself for speed, time, HR, cadence (different ones for specific segments).  It would be cool to be able to set those targets and then see those segment bars light up - or within a % of target.  I know that there's a premium feature for goals - and I'm not a premium member!

December 14, 2013, 10:28 AM
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Chris Misker

Is it just me, or is Facebook sharing not working? Love the new page!!!

December 14, 2013, 10:19 AM
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Andy Joyce

The Analysis tool is now essentially pointless. The longer the ride the more impossible it is to view elevation changes since that part of the chart does not zoom. Elevation needs to overlay speed/power like in the previous interface. Losing the comparison feature is also unfortunate.

December 13, 2013, 10:09 AM
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Randall Legeai

The new charts are almost useless, especially for those of us who live where there is little elevation change and normally ignore the elevation chart anyway. With practically no vertical resolution and no way to eliminate one or two of the charts that might have no useful data at all (i.e. no cadence data or no elevation change) they charts have lost most of their usefulness for me.  Are the options on the premier site significantly better in this regard?

December 12, 2013, 2:26 PM
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Piers H.

I really dislike the new page, the old one was a lot more simple in aesthetics and was easier to use. I want the old activity page back

December 12, 2013, 1:36 PM
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Mike Banks

On the whole quite nice but will take some getting used to.

Just a few comments:

1. Bring back comparison!

2. In segment view the chart and map are too small.

3. When analyzing effort on segment the elevation chart shows whole ride - good to have this as a toggle view, Segment or ride. (which would negate comment 2)

December 12, 2013, 8:19 AM
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Tim James

A few things I consider issues...

1) No "back to ride" or "reset zoom" when looking at a segment/effort

2) Clicking on segment opens up all the new data but doesn't take you to it - have to scroll to find it - frustrating

3) In power curve, you have to chase the hyperlink for the ride that is your best effort at that power. It's not possible to click on it. This is Firefox, maybe other browsers handle it better.

4) Comparison is an essential feature!

5) Max power often shows as zero for a segment - close and open, it gets a proper value. Raised this as a ticket separately.

December 11, 2013, 7:36 PM
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Daniel McPeake

What is with the light grey text on a white background? It's almost impossible to read. Also while the graphs have more data points they seem to small to be useable.  The new layout needs some major work!

December 6, 2013, 5:51 PM
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David Carson

The omission of the comparison feature was a huge oversight! Please restore it as it was one of the best analytic features you provide.

December 6, 2013, 5:47 PM
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Nick Pratt

Id like to be able to view multiple power curves over time - e.g. My power curve for 6 months, starting 1 year ago, my power curve for 3 months starting 6 months ago, and then my power curve for the last 3 and 1 months.  The time ranges are arbitrary, but the ability to analyze my current power curve against the data from 6 months back would be helpful to know if Im improving.  As things are right now, when I post a new ride, it updates the historical curve since all the historical ranges end "today" so the current ride is included in the data. While its not ideal if the new ride is below the historical curve, if I post better power numbers for longer, then I cant see the difference since the historical curve now shifts up to include the current ride. So ideally, allow me to select the time range for the historical curve, and let me select multiple historical curves so i can see a trend over time.

December 6, 2013, 1:06 PM
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Snusmumrik .

"My main beefs are that I can't open segments in new windows ..."

This is one of the things keeping me from using the new layout as well. It's simply too cumbersome to get to the information I want.

December 5, 2013, 12:54 PM
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Snusmumrik .

Here's how the analysis page looks for me, when I've selected a portion of my ride:

http://gifti.me/i/Yfg4q.png

I've highlighted the numbers to the left of the graphs that show the average and maximum values for the selected portion of the ride.

December 5, 2013, 7:17 AM
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Eric Johnson

There is nothing below the pencil and spanner icon for me, just blank space. No ability to return to classic ride page. On some of my rides it does show the return to classic rides, but others it does not. It may be trainer rides specifically (which do have detailed power and heart rate data that I'm interested in for intervals and hill repeats etc.) do not show the return to classic option.

Snusmumrik, I've never seen the 'analysis page' to the left of the graphs, this area is always blank (well background light grey). I've gone back and looked at a bunch of my rides, they are all the same no such panel (with or without power data, with or without gps data e.g. outdoor vs indoor trainer w/power, it's all the same no such page).  So for me, there's no ability to see analysis data for just the selected portion of a ride. I can only see the data for the entire ride in aggregate. This is a huge step backward from what we used to have.

 

December 5, 2013, 4:59 AM
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Rohan Christmas

Brilliant. Thanks Marshall.

December 4, 2013, 10:19 PM
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Marshall H.

On the new activity page, top left you will see overview/analysis/laps.

Under that you will see a pencil and a spanner icon.

Under that you will see "Return to classic ride page" greyed out. click it and your back to classic view.

December 4, 2013, 10:08 PM
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Rohan Christmas

Is there a way to go back to the old set up? I have been persisting with new setup but I can never get it to do what I want to do. My main beefs are that I can't open segments in new windows and I can't do comparisons anymore.

December 4, 2013, 9:31 PM
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Snusmumrik .

I hope the excellent feedback from Eric H. will be forwarded to the developers.

Eric Johnson, both average and max values for a selected portion of a ride are now displayed on the analysis page to the left of the graphs. There seems to be a bug, where the graphs are sometimes not shown.

For some reason, they've chosen to omit the elevation data and graph, however, and we're stuck with speed, watts, heart rate, cadence and temperature, so any detailed analysis involving elevation is impossible.

I second the idea to give a visual indication of where max and min values occured, perhaps shown on both map and graphs.

December 4, 2013, 7:00 AM
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Eric Johnson

I'm having similar issues to the others. When looking at the performance chart for an activity, one of my very most used features was to zoom in to a section of the ride I was interested in - a lap, or maybe just skipping the warmup and cooldown, and looking at the aggregate data -- average watts, speed, etc. It appears that this functionality, which used to work, is no longer there. When you select just a portion of a ride, the aggregate information at the top stays the same reflecting only the entire ride, not just the portion you've selected. This makes it just about impossible to extract useful information from Strava unless you crop your rides, and even then that can only take care of warmup and cooldown and cannot accommodate mid-ride breaks, comparing performance on laps or hill repeats etc. If this can't be fixed, I'll stop using Strava since I just can't get the information I need out of the system.

December 3, 2013, 11:15 AM
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Nick Pratt

And on the analysis charts, show me where the Max (and min) values occurred. Right now, I see the Avg and Max values over on the left hand side, but it would be great if there was a little dot on the chart showing where the max occurred (or maybe a thin vertical line).

December 3, 2013, 10:45 AM
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Nick Pratt

An ability to compare laps within a workout would be a great help (I want to be able to multi select laps so I can compare efforts (power, HR, cadence, speed)).  Id also like to be able to tag laps as an interval or recovery/rest period and then show the analysis on a tagged group (aggregate and inter-lap) e.g. show me combined power over the laps tagged "interval", and then show me the analysis of Interval-1 vs Interval-2 and/or Interval-1 against Interval-Aggregate, perhaps on a single chart basis, or a series of charts (one set of charts per interval, and one for the aggregate).

December 3, 2013, 10:41 AM
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Nick Pratt

Missing time analysis on new charts for trainer rides is a huge negative - trying to analyze sections of the workout is really hard without a spot-time display as you hover over the chart.

Being able to compare your efforts against others on segments is/was a really useful feature.

What is missing is a general personal performance analysis - right now everything is done on a per ride basis.  I want to view an aggregate power/HR analysis over time periods (this month vs last vs custom range) so I can see how things are progressing.

December 2, 2013, 9:12 AM
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Marshall H.

I agree with allot of the comments posted here.

These are my comments about the new layout.

PROS: Much better segment analysis. I like how all ride information is layed out on the new page. I like the mini leader board. Its much easier for browsing segments and seeing how I stack up against others. Best part is when you hover over a segment it highlights the segment on the ride chart so you can quickly see where on the ride the segment was.

CONS: Not so good for analyzing your own performance, actually its useless. To name one problem I had, I had a high heart rate and I wanted to see where on the ride it happened, I could not do this.

Other comments: Bring back the classic view for analyzing your own performance. I love the full screen mode, as I love how the performance chart hovers over the map and it shows a little blue dot so you can see where on the ride it was. Only thing missing on this view is heart rate. Better yet supper impose heart rate, speed, elevation, and cadence and make it configurable.

December 1, 2013, 2:30 PM
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Juraj Kasanicky

Nice and it is a real progress indeed.

I will also very apretiate something like a simple jump from one workout to the the next one and the previous one as well, just using arrows left and right. Similar functionality has Garmin Connect.

Now I have to go to "Training / My Activities" to open a new one. I use a trick to open next one in a new window. Or maybe I just miss something ?

THANKS !

December 1, 2013, 1:01 PM
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Eric H.

I just started using the new design earlier in the week and there's a few big things that jump out as needs improvement and nice but could be better. First, when expanding the mini-leaderboard on the Your Ride page it shows your segment info for that ride as well as the leaderboard showing your best efforts, but if you click the "View full leaderboard" button to go to the segment page it doesn't remember which ride you were viewing from and show the basic info for that particular ride in the upper-right corner of the window like the old version. For example, say I'm riding my MTB on a road segment and just did a second best effort but am still 150 out of 200 riders, the segment page shows my best time but I can't easily see what I just did on the ride (average speed, cadence, power, etc.) without clicking the "My Results" link, finding my ride date, clicking, then being taken back to the mini-leaderboard view on the main Your Ride page.

 

When first opening a ride on the Your Ride page that pops up, with the segment list at the bottom of the window it's great to be able to not click on them and be able hover the cursor, highlight a segment, and have it shown on the map where the segment is located. This is great for new ride locations when you don't know where a segment is due to how it was named, but when you have a very long segment list and have to scroll down in the window you can't see the segment and the map at the same time. After scrolling down the elevation profile stops and is locked at the top of the page and the segment list continues to scroll down but it would be nice if the map could also stay locked visible and only the segment list scrolls down.

 

Also related, when you hover the mouse over the segment list without clicking and expanding a segment and it's mini-leaderboard it's nice to see it shown in the elevation profile where the segment was as you roll the cursor over the segments. But when you click and expand a segment it isn't intuitive how to minimize the mini-leaderboard view and be able to hover over the segment list and see where different segments are in the elevation profile (answer: click in the title area of the expanded mini-leaderboard view). Perhaps if there was an expand/collapse control like a triangle or drop-down button it would make it easier to navigate the segments. It might also be nice to be able to have a segment expanded and be able to hover the cursor over another segment in the list and see where it is in the elevation profile instead of it being locked to the expanded segment.

 

A couple other minor comments on features, on the new Your Ride page when you're on the Overview it would be nice if the site remembered your preference for "Show More" or "Show Less". I always like seeing my average cadence and heart rate but it's a pain jumping through and comparing different rides and having to click that button every time. I'd personally like to see it expanded by default.

 

It is nice when you expand that data to see not just averages but also max readings for cadence, etc. as well, but the page layout doesn't seem to make efficient use of screen resolution. You have your basic ride info on the left with a big blank white space under it (not sure if that's for photos or really long descriptions, both of which I seldom see people use compared to most rides) and the "Top Results" section uses a really big font and takes up a ton of the page leaving a small font and bunch of info crammed in the upper-right corner of the window. I'm using a 1920x1200 display and notice my ride maps are already scrolling off the bottom of the page/window. Also the map seems to be wider, shorter in height, which makes my ride outlines appear smaller overall.\

 

When you're on the Your Ride page and click and expand a segment and then click the "Analyze effort" button, the data in the charts does seem very small and cramped and looks like information overload. It's also not readily apparent you can click and drag in the elevation profile to view other areas of your ride for analysis. Perhaps add a tool-tip pop up or a note along the lines of "click and drag to select". That would also be nice if you could do that from the main Your Ride overview page on the elevation profile and have it expand/open the data for the area you selected.

 

One last thing related to the "Analyst effort" button, when you click and go to that page it would be nice to also see the segment leaderboard at the bottom of the window. Otherwise you have to go back a page, click the "View full leaderboard" button, and then can't see any of the "Performance" or "Comparison" chart/data like you can on the old segment page.

 

Well, one really last thing. It's nice to see Strava continuing to try to improve the site and accessibility but this redesign comes across mostly as an appearance change for viewing data. It would be nice if some really new requested features were added like being able to split up bikes by type (road, MTB, recumbent, CX/training, etc.) which is my personal pet peeve. The site layout definitely can use room for improvement, as a first-time use it was difficult to figure out where to click and how to get to certain data view pages, but I'd really like to see some development effort spent on adding features and data views like what VeloViewer offers and fixing design inconsistency and accessibility problems rather than adding fluff and just moving things around on the pages, combining page features, etc.

November 29, 2013, 11:53 PM
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Robert Meyer

I hate the way that segments are presented on the new ride page -- there is way too much space between segments, i.e the row height is way too much.  meanwhile space on the right side of the page is not begin utilized.

conclusion:  the classic view of segents is better.  with more narrow rows.  you seem each one more clearly and you can see more per page.  I dont want to scroll down page after page to see all the segments.

November 23, 2013, 12:34 PM
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Nick Pratt
The new charts look good with one big problem - when analyzing trainer rides, the top section of info (distance, elevation, grade and time) isn't shown. Now when I hover over the chary I can't see spot time or spot distance. I can still see power, hr, speed and cadence but I really need to see time for useful power analysis and interval selection on the charts.
November 21, 2013, 4:48 PM
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Allan O'Neil

I've notice some misbehaviour on the Overview page recently:

- when hovering over a segment in the list below the map and ride altitude profile, the highlighted sections that appear on the profile (dark grey) and ride map (blue) do not match the actual segment location

- clicking on the segment to open the mini-leaderboard shows the correct segment profile and location within the leaderboard

- after closing the mini-leaderboard, there is no further highlighting shown on the ride profile chart when hovering over segments; but the ride map continues to show incorrect segment locations

November 21, 2013, 4:09 PM
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A.D. Wade

Just wanted to add, that on the NEW RIDE PAGE there is no way that I can find to SEE both the Strava Suffer Score -AND- the Points in Red.  Whereas on the old ride page there's a clearly marked Suffer Score Tab and both show up as they should.

November 20, 2013, 10:30 PM
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Jan Maarten H.

Please add the comparison function to the new page!

November 20, 2013, 10:05 AM
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Snusmumrik .

The site http://raceshape.com/ is pretty good for comparisons of segment efforts for the people missing that feature from Strava itself.

November 14, 2013, 2:00 AM
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Stuart Matheson

I'm really enjoying the new activity page, and I look forward to further refinements.

I have found a bug that I don't think has been reported here. The lap time is reported incorrectly in the new activity page for this activity:

http://app.strava.com/activities/94932445

Lap 3 time is 1:42:15 in the old ride page and 42:15 in the new ride page. Looking at the graph, the former is obviously correct. All the other figures are consistent between the new and the old page.

November 13, 2013, 3:06 PM
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Ed Warner

Mojo Monkey,

Comparisons are still available if you switch back to Classic View.

Try the site veloviewer.com, it integrates with your Strava account and has some pretty cool tools.

November 13, 2013, 8:00 AM
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Mojo Monkey
Anyone have any recommendations on a website or software that provides the capability to compare segment efforts? It seems clear Strava isn't making it a priority to bring back - it has been gone most of a year from running now and the new cycling pages are apparently dropping it too. I pay for sporttracks and am going to try out their new sporttracks.mobi site, but any recommendations would be appreciated. Comparing efforts against others would be great, but at a minimum I'd like to be able to define segments I commonly train on and be able to load up two (or more) efforts to see how I fared with different pacing, or just review them as regular benchmarks.
November 13, 2013, 7:02 AM
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Marek Pulse

New ride page is much worse than the current one. Why change something which is good? If you just do a little lifting. New ride page is hard to read (especially charts) and in my opinion it won't be a good change.

November 11, 2013, 11:05 PM
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glyn ward

I would like to be able to just look at climb sections when looking for segments not interested in how fast I can go down hill.

agree with a few more on here need to bring back age and weights.

and stop people doing things like this, may be funny but not nice. http://app.strava.com/segments/3375822

November 11, 2013, 3:38 AM
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Snusmumrik .

It's been mentioned before, but doing effort analysis from the leaderboard list is really tiresome now, as you are brought away from the leaderboard list to view the analysis and then have to navigate back to the leaderboard to continue checking other efforts.

Previously, the leaderboard and the segment effort analysis were integrated on the same page, which made segment effort analysis much quicker and simpler.

This disintegration between leaderboard and segment effort analysis is most likely also the reason why the comparison of a segment effort to a KOM or PR has gone missing, since the analysis page now has no connection to the leaderboard.

Perhaps a fix would be to simply show the leaderboard on the analysis page, when doing analysis of a segment effort.

November 9, 2013, 3:42 AM
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Snusmumrik .

Mark, you can hide the elevation profile and segment list to show the actual full screen map. Just pull down on the bar separating the map and the elevation profile.

November 8, 2013, 5:28 PM
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Mark Ueeck

The full screen map feature has lost a lot of its usefulness.  In the Classic version the map would expand to the entire screen with the elevation profile overlayed (and mimimizable).  In the new version the map gets about 25% of the screen, the elevation profile about 20% and the rest displays segments on the ride.   Please include a full screen map option that really uses the FULL SCREEN for the map.

November 8, 2013, 11:58 AM
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Jason Wakely

Tried using it few a few weeks and find it really clunky and frustrating, if its difficult for users to find things its going to be harder for newcomers, difficult to find features that were previously so easy to locate, I love the premium features on Android though especially live segment timing voice announcements, please bring back the old version of strava, does anyone know how to go back to classic view on PC?

November 8, 2013, 1:41 AM
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Ben Hughes

1) I REALLY, REALLY miss the comparison against other riders and/or my own PR/KOM. Please don't remove this functionality!

+1. This is one of the main features I used to love!

November 7, 2013, 10:26 PM
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Al S

For the most part, the new layout looks great and gives a lot more information.  It looks pretty well-finished at this point and I like it.  There is one feature that appears as though it was not connected, and that is the heart rate analysis when I have a stationary trainer ride.  The chart is there but it isn't being populated with any information.  Thanks!

November 7, 2013, 1:39 PM
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David G

First of i just wanted to say that the new format looks great IMO. Just a couple of usability issues however.

So i just uploaded some new activities this morning some of which involved PR's but they are no longer showing up as PR's in the segment analysis 

 

e.g. Segment states my PR is 4:12 when i look at the leaderboard but the segment analysis for that particular efforts states the my time was 3:40 (This Effort). Not sure what the problem is here but makes it impossible to analyse the ride without checking the leader boards for every segment and making sure Strava hasnt missed the PR for that segment. Hopefully this is just a matter of teething problems thanks to the new layout.

 

Second issue is the lack of comparison that others have already mentioned. This was one of the most useful features of the previous layout and definitely needs to be included if I'm to continue paying. 

November 6, 2013, 5:20 PM
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Snusmumrik .

After using the new layout a bit more, my main suggestions are:

1. Give me everything from the Overview tab in the Analysis tab as well, but allow the fields to be minimized like, for example, the power tabs can be minimized in the old layout. This works wonderfully. This would have the benefit of both quicker access to the stuff you want AND a clear overview. Minimize settings should be saved for maximum user friendliness. 

2. Remove the Overview tab.

3. Place "Analyze effort" and "View full leaderboard" buttons for each segment on the segment list, so we can skip directly to those without waiting for the miniature "quick view" (that is actually rather slow) to then click once more to get, where we want. As it is, navigation is a drag.

4. Why is the Description field taking up so much space, when so few people use it? Make it an expandable field instead that is collapsed by default (though perhaps automatically expanded when it's used) and put the blank space to better use.

5. Remove the "Top Results" field. This is already shown on the activity feed, so it's superfluous on the Overview tab. You are likely to scroll down to check the segment list at a glance anyway. Removing it will free up space for showing the important stuff. Alternatively, make the field smaller so its size better reflects its relative importance.

6. Enable the option to create a new segment from a selection on the Analysis tab.

7. Make the navigation menu to the left horizontal and move it to above the horizontal "Your Ride" field. Perhaps make it follow, when you scroll down, so it's always there, but I'm fine with scrolling up to access this. The point is that removing it will free up a lot of space for showing the important stuff. I don't get why the new pages have to emulate a horizontally cramped 4:3 aspect ratio, when most people have moved on to wide screen. Better to actually put the extra horizontal screen space to good use! Alternatively, you could simply keep vertical and all to the left, but make it take up way less space.

November 6, 2013, 3:58 PM
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Scawen Roberts

It's quite strange how the Strava developers that work on these new pages are obsessed with really wide maps with very low height.  It's as if where they live, people only ride from east to west or west to east.  Where I live in England, we sometimes do roughly circular rides or even ones that cover more ground north-south than east-west!  And lots of our segments are in a north-south type of direction too!

November 4, 2013, 12:57 AM
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Jeff Shute

The full-screen view doesn't really work in a useful way for me.  When I've used it before, I did it because I wanted to see a full-screen map that I could scroll around to look at the ride in more detail.  In the new UI, in full-screen mode, the map is only about 1/3 of the screen.  It isn't actually any taller than in the normal view - it's just really wide.  Then other 2/3s of the screen is a huge segment list table, which isn't very useful because even if I expand a segment, it still only takes about half the screen size in the table.

I'd prefer a full screen map-only view.

November 3, 2013, 5:54 PM
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Darren Jahn

The new look is very nice. There is lots to like here.

That said:

1) I REALLY, REALLY miss the comparison against other riders and/or my own PR/KOM. Please don't remove this functionality!

2) When analyzing a segment, there is no zoomed elevation graph—it shows the elevation graph for the whole ride which isn't very helpful when you're analyzing an individual segment.

3) The map is small even when you click "Analyze Effort" which  makes it FAR more difficult to do the analysis. Please make the map at least as tall as it used to be—taller would be even better!

4) The new graphs below the map on the "Analyze Effort" page are great, but they are too small to be much help. Please make these taller or zoomable.

5) I can't figure out how to navigate back from the "Analyze Effort" page to the list of segments I was on before I clicked "Analyze Effort". The browser back button goes WAY back to the Activity Feed and I can't find an inline "back" button or a "return to segments" link. In the old layout, I would hold down "command" to open the segments I wanted to analyze in new tabs. This doesn't work in the new layout, so analyzing and navigating is pretty frustrating.

October 31, 2013, 2:05 PM
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Konrad Beckmann

I'm with Sergey! I really miss being able to zoom in the elevation graph. 

When in the Analyse-page and selecting a part of a ride (that is not a segment), the gray text below the elevation graph is very subtle, yet provides relly important data. It would be nice to make this text more visible by changing color or font size. Elevation %, time and so on for the selection is really interesting, at least for me.

October 31, 2013, 7:19 AM
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Sergey Robot

Would be nice to see zoomed-in eleation graph, like this: http://i.imgur.com/ntUNpxY.png

What's the point of hiding ride summary things behind the "Show More" button? Just show all of it.

Why is Analysis a separate tab at all? Just put all the graphs in one page. Simpler.

October 27, 2013, 8:55 PM
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Tim B
Not a big fan or the new ride page myself. I have persisted it for a couple of weeks now but have reverted to the old way. I find it far too confusing, way too much information in what feels to be very disorganised. The graphs are hard to read, i found it much better when they were overlayed in the old format. Private segments are not obvious with a padlock like they used to be and it is terrible trying to view it on an iPad. By all means, have the ability to drill down and analyse whatever you want, but i think as an initial landing point for a lot of people, the old way works best. Just my 2 cents worth
October 27, 2013, 2:49 PM
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Eric Johnson

The new pages really aren't working for me. Generally what I want to see, beyond knowing any new KOMs etc, is how I've performed on the day against my peers (similar wind conditions etc.). To get this currently I need to go to the full segment leaderboard. None of the other drop-down comparisons in the mini leaderboard matter to me, KOM is KOM and best of my age or weight group means nothing to me other than serving as a reminder that I'm getting fat and pathetic in my old age. But I do want to know how other attempts on a segment on the day of that ride stack up to my own attempt. I always want to know that. Every ride.

If it were up to me, I'd make sure that info is displayed by default, without even springing the mini-leaderboard.  For me, what I want to know on a segment for a ride (other than time, speed, power, HR) are the %ile ranking of that attempt vs all my own previous attempts, my ranking on the segment overall amongst attempts ridden on that day.. e.g.

Segment Name,  Time, Speed, Power,    HR, %ile (my results), Today comparison

My Flat Segment 0:48s 56km/h 650w    170     72nd                    [KOM 0:43] CrusherMcGee 0:47(1)<me 0:48(2)<FlatulentFred 1:02(3)

If there was something like that in the summary, I wouldn't even bother opening the mini leaderboard on most rides.  The 'today comparison' would tell me the overall KOM time, and the results for today showing my time, my standing on today's leaderboard, and the times and standings of the next fastest and slowest guys on the day. e.g. in the example I gave, the KOM time on the segment would be 43 seconds, Crusher McGee was best on the day at 47s, I was 2nd best at 48s, and Flatulent Fred was 3rd best at 1:02. Maybe for bonus point also show not just time but speed for each (KOM and above/below efforts on the day).  Of course in real life there usually is no faster person on the day so that would be represented by dashes most of the time :) :)

I know I probably won't get my way, but maybe at least this info could make it into the mini leaderboard so that I don't have to navigate to full segment leaderboard pages for every segment in the ride?

 

 

October 21, 2013, 1:22 PM
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Lynn Guyot

The new page layout is starting to grow on me. Here are a couple of points to consider:

1) The ride description was never public before. As such I have treated it as private and who rather some of my descriptions not become public wth the rollout of new pages. At a minimum you should make public display of ride description configurable. My suggestion is a defualt check box for Viewable in settings and an the capability to override individual rides with a check box on the ride edit page.

2) When viewing a segment and selecting the option to list riders on the segment as of "today," the notion of "today" should be tied to the ride date, not the actual day. This way you can always see who was out there on the segment at the time you were, even if they choose to upload their rides once per week or every couple of days. The way it is now, you only know who was out there if you check on the same day, hoping that all people uploaded their ride on the day of the ride. However, If Im curisous about a rider I passed on yesterday's ride I cant get any info if the rider does not upload around or before I upload, or the fact that Im checking a day later.

3) SImilar issue with "Last week" or "last month." Those lists of people should be generated for the last 7 days or the last 30 days from the date of the ride. They should not be tied to every Monday or the 1st day of the actual month. If I want to check out a segment that I rode a 5 days ago and I want to see who was on the segment the week prior to the ride I should be able to do that.

This is social fitness. Lets encourage the Social in terms of finding out who was out there on the same segment, the same day as you.

October 21, 2013, 10:19 AM
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Mojo Monkey
I still do not like the new run pages, and I will be sad if the ride pages end up adopting many of those bum "improvements." Sounds like the ability to compare segment efforts has been pulled from rides now as well, and there is more clicking required and less information density on the pages. I hope that is addressed before the pages move out of beta. Hopefully the response will be better than that of the new run pages or the removal of API access. DC Rainmaker covered a couple of Strava missteps here: http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/07/cutting-removing-functionality.html
October 21, 2013, 6:11 AM
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Scawen Roberts

That has always been the case in the "new" (now quite old) running pages.  From day one you have not been able to select a portion of a run for any purpose (including to make a segment).  However, fine grained control is still available... first use the sliders on the create segment page to set the segment roughly, then you should see "Move Start Point" and "Move End Point" above some "Back" and "Forward" buttons, that allow you to move the segment start and end points by individual data steps.

October 21, 2013, 3:55 AM
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Dave Brodmann

I cannot use the new page create segments the way I did using the old page.  With the old page I would select a portion of my ride & then click "create segment", and that portion of the ride would be used for the new segment.  On the new page there is a "create segment" button from the "overview" page, but I cannot select a portion of my ride from the overview page.  If I go to the "analysis" page I can select a portion of my ride, but there is not a "create segment" button.  If I use the tools button => create segment, it does not "pre-load" my selection into the create segment.  I know you can use the slider from within the create segment page, but it does not give the granularity that you have if you pre-select the segment from the analysis page.  That's what I used to do with the old page.  

 

October 21, 2013, 2:50 AM
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Adam Rosser

I think it is interesting that one of the most common complaints about the old look is that the elevation profiles were exaggerated vertically, so that a flat ride with a 5m variation over the whole ride was made to look like a mountain range.  Now people are complaining that a flat ride looks flat.  I do not agree that this a matter that needs to be user selectable, but I think it would be good if Strava set the minimum elevation range to a smaller amount (say 300ft/100m) so that flatter rides have a bit more definition.

October 21, 2013, 1:55 AM
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Steve Hindman

So many comments, I'm this one has been covered, but I'll add it anyway and keep it short.  The vertical resolution of the analysis page charts is terrible. I did a CX race that had only about 20 feet of elevation change and the y axis of the chart was set at 600 feet. On the classic page, the same chart has the y axis maximum set to 40 feet - much more useful.

Also, what changes were made to the classic pages? Why is the summary widget now located diagonally

                                                                                                                                                                                                   below the map? It is now impossible to see analysis and the map simultaneously.

October 20, 2013, 3:09 PM
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Steve Penna

Quite nice - I like a lot of thew new feature, but it is missing a few things from the old pages at the moment:

- Best efforts power table. I appreciate that the graph is there now, but having the table broken down into 1m 5m etc was more useful IMO

- Clicking on a power segment (i.e. 1 minute) to see where on the ride it was achieved.

- Segment comparison

- The speed/power graphs are much smaller now, so are less useful. They should be taller, with the option to hide (e.g. hide power)

- When analysing a segment, there is no zoomed elevation graph - it shows the elevation graph for the whole ride

- Having the show/hide button at the top seems a bit pointless. Maybe that is because it only shows/hides calories for me when I don't wear a HRM. Could we default it to 'show'? It's annoying not seeing calories without clicking!

 

I'm sure you've already thought of a lot of those and they are in the works. Looking forward to more cool stuff!

October 19, 2013, 4:41 AM
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Alan o
Not a big fan of the new ride page, I preferred how the other one worked. You need to. Restore the comparison button and the ability to check all age and weight not just mine.
October 19, 2013, 4:02 AM
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Nikki Baker

Am I missing something..... on the old page I liked that you could immediately see the number of achievements you had gained for that ride (immediate validation for your feeling whether it was a good, OK or bad training ride).....and then you could go into the segment data etc as you wished.  I can't seem to see a summary of number of achievements on the page......have I missed it?

October 18, 2013, 5:00 PM
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Ron Smeets
Please make it iPad compatible!
October 18, 2013, 2:36 PM
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Steffen Enni

Not impressed.  The old layout is better IMHO, most of the reasons has already been mentioned.  But here's my top complaints.

Old layout has

- Bigger map (good, easier to see)
- Taller graphs for elevation/power/speed/cadence (good, easier to read)
- Segments on a separate page enables much more information.  The new way of showing segments inline doesn't give you the same options.

New layout
- Wastes space, click on Overview and "Show More".  Now there is a huge white space below my photo showing nothing.  Not good on a small screen. I basically have to scroll down one screen to see the map.  On the old layout important information was at the top.

October 17, 2013, 9:11 PM
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Andy M.

Strava. You really, really REALLY need to restore PB/Rider comparisons to segments. that was invaluable and is sorely missed! Sort it out!

October 17, 2013, 1:22 PM
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Malcolm Tasker

The occasional rider can ride an unbelievable ride, so I like to click on the date then his performance and check to see if their speed is genuine

or even do your own comparsion to the KOM.....I cannot find these two functions anymore.

October 17, 2013, 2:39 AM
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Daniel Dale

After a couple of days using it, its a little grey, perhaps inject a little colour in the elevation map, the sections that appear underneath it? 

October 16, 2013, 12:17 PM
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Snusmumrik .

"2. There is no way to look at your performance from the main page. There is an extra click to get into the ANALYSIS tab. An extra click for no good reason. I ride the same handful of routes most days. I know where I ride and I know the elevation. When I load a ride up onto Strava the thing I care about is how I performed on the ride, not necessarily where I went. It would be nice if that performance data was visible from the overview tab."

This is a really important insight, I feel.

A simple solution would be to introduce a setting that gives the user the option of choosing, which tab to open when opening an effort. A sort of "effort start page" setting.

October 16, 2013, 10:25 AM
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seth toomay

Sent this as an email and they asked me to post it here. Screenshots are added as attachments.

There are some good things about the new ride page but there are several things that were better about the old version. Here is some feedback (some of it is reactionary to change):

 1.  The auto scale calculation does not spread the elevation out over a the available space along the Y axis. In the classic version you can tell where the hills are from the main ride page. This is hard to do with the new version.   The old scale is 400 - 600 while the for the same ride new scale is 0 to 1000. See attached files #2 and #3. Here in Dallas we have very few hills to ride and it is nice to have an exaggerated view of where those hills are. :-)

 2. There is no way to look at your performance from the main page. There is an extra click to get into the ANALYSIS tab. An extra click for no good reason. I ride the same handful of routes most days. I know where I ride and I know the elevation. When I load a ride up onto Strava the thing I care about is how I performed on the ride, not necessarily where I went. It would be nice if that performance data was visible from the overview tab.  

2a. When you click on a segment you can not see how you performed on that segment without clicking on the ANALYZE EFFORT button which is similar to the iOS app. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it would be more convenient to see your other metrics int he segment page without having to perform a second click. 

3. Need to add horizontal grid lines on the elevation graph on the ANALYSIS page. Also need better horozontal lines on the HR/power/cadence graphs. Graphing this like a nelson rules control chart would make better sense. You would graph the average like you currently do and then graph two horozontal scale lines (an upper control limit UCL and a lower control limit LCL). Could also draw horozontal lines at the first, second, and third standard deviations above and below the mean.   It looks like you guys are trying to subscribe to the Tufte school of graphic display which is a good way to go. However, additional horozontal scale lines are important when making visual quantitative comparisons within a graph. In the screenshot below it is difficult for me to tell what is going on.  See attaced image #4

 

3. Scale- I think there are issues with Y axis scale at many places inside the site. This needs mentioning again.  Again the upper limit of the elevation graph is set too high. Same is true with the upper limit of cadence.  

4. Data overlap- There are definite benefits to being able to overlap data in the current web version. It is particularly useful to see how your effort and HR response relative to the terrain. Having these separated can make it more difficult to make some comparisons. What would be a possible solution is to keep the design of the new ride page but double the height in pix of the elevation graph and fix the auto scale. Then in the individual data graphs below have an overlay check box that will overlay the given graph onto the elevation graph above. If there are good horozontal scale lines on the individual data graphs then you do not need to worry as much about the scale on the overlay. 

5. Cadence graph- the cadence graph really causes the most problems when overlapped on other data. The issues is not when you are spinning at 80 to 100 rpm. The clutter comes from the lines that connect the 100 rpm to the 0 rpm. If there was a way to only graph a segment of the cadence when you are actually recording a data vale and not try to connect to dots when the delta is greater than say 20 rpm. You could graph the 0s at the bottom of the graph but just not connect them with these horozontal lines. Also a median calculation for some metrics would be more useful than a mean. See attached image #5

 

Thanks for your effort with Strava it is a great product and I hope this redesign is an iterative improvement.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your effort with Strava it is a great product and I hope this redesign is an iterative improvement.

 

October 15, 2013, 5:00 PM
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Bjarni B.

Please consider adding the ride date and time (secs) to the mini leaderboards.    Space is probably an issue but you could use hover texts (tooltip) to display this (for the date) or toggle the speed column between speed/time.      Also agree with the others that the charts/analysis need to be displayed with the leaderboard.    Would be nice to be able to see performance (speed/HR etc) on the overall ride chart as well without having to go into the analysis mode.    Keep up the great work!

October 15, 2013, 3:34 PM
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Keith Austen

The new ride page looks brilliant - great work...

October 15, 2013, 3:27 PM
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Daniel Dale

Like the new look, very slick. On the PR section in new look you only get times, but no dates like you did in old look. Can you put the dates into the new look please. Keep up the good work, still best by far!

October 15, 2013, 2:35 PM
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Isaac Molnar

The ride/run description/notes portion of the page has a link to "expand" to read all of the notes.  That didn't work for me when they changed the Run format and isn't working when the changed over the Ride format.  I enjoy reading ride notes, but right I now I a blurb that is cut off mid-sentence with no way to expand.  Again -- same lack of functionality for Runs.

October 15, 2013, 5:07 AM
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Matt van Baalen

Overall, not really a fan.  The main page for a ride doesn't present well, too complicated.  The wonderful thing about the old ride page was how simple it was to use, and how well it presented on the screen.  The analysis section isn't that great, I liked the graphs having the ability to overlap and being able to compare your effort against your PR and the KOM is a must.  That said, I do think the segments are improved.

October 14, 2013, 3:44 PM
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Rob Barker

Excellent new design!

October 14, 2013, 2:45 PM
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Alex Malinovich

I really like the new design overall, though the segment view still needs a bit of work IMO. There's a lot of data that's no longer shown that I look at pretty often (like the dates of my previous results so I can see my progress over time), and having to click a dropdown every time I want to compare my standing on different leaderboards is kind of tedious. Other than that, the new design is great. The explore view is finally caught up to what's been available on the mobile versions for a while, and is far surpassing them at this point which is really awesome.

October 14, 2013, 12:49 PM
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Marc Pontif

As a lot of people I think that we loose many useful functionalities in this new version (ability to zoom on altitude graph, easy segment creation by selecting directly on the altitude graph, graphics are very difficult to read they are really too small, please keep the current version avalaible until this new version including at least all the very valuable feature of the current version will be really finilized.

October 14, 2013, 12:36 PM
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