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Ride Page Beta Release

Mat Gordon
posted this on October 01, 2013 08:55 AM

Over the past 9 months, we've been laying the foundation for our new cycling activity pages and we’re excited to be able to take the next step in bringing them to you. Some of the improvements include:

New Charts

We threw out our old charts and paved the way for an entirely new charting experience. Our new charts are easier to use, significantly more powerful, and are just stunning to look at.

Deeper Analysis

We've built an entirely new way to analyze your rides. You can zoom in on custom sections, laps, and Strava segments and the map and elevation chart will follow your every move. Instant averages and maxes are displayed as you pan and zoom giving you complete control to obsess over your ride.

Top Notch Premium Analysis

We've revamped the entire premium experience with bigger, better charts. Our power analysis now includes map and elevation chart integration to show you exactly where on your ride you put out peak power.

Segment Improvements

We've made it faster to see how your effort stacked up against yourself and the entire Strava community. Mini-leaderboards make it easier to dive in and out of specific efforts on your ride.

Much More Coming

We will never stop improving this page as it is so core to the Strava experience. We've got lots more planned in the coming months.

 

Over the next month, we'll be inviting more and more users to try the new page out. During this opt-in period, you can go back and forth between the old and new pages. Keep in mind that the new pages are in beta mode, meaning some of the functionality is not quite perfect. We’ll be working around the clock to tidy up the experience. You can tell us what you think of the new page below.

 

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Timothy Burgher

Is their a beta signup list or will it just appear one day?

October 01, 2013 06:02 PM
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Rene' Anzaldu'a
Being an Elite Cycling Coach
I have been waiting for such
A Tool. I am really pleased, excited and ,eager
October 01, 2013 07:51 PM
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Jay Eno

I'd rather have improved segment/ride matching, more device support, and an open developer API instead of pretty new graphics. Just to name a few.

October 01, 2013 09:18 PM
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Tyrone Cragg

Any way to request an invite, or will it be totally random?

October 02, 2013 03:22 AM
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Dick DiGennaro
Nice!
October 02, 2013 05:04 PM
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Dick DiGennaro
Unless I'm missing something, the charts are somewhat inferior to the old version. I'm not able to see any significant detail or resolution to determine actual values or ranges of power, speed, cadence, etc. Can the charts be expanded to full-page resolution with better scaling on the vertical axis?
October 02, 2013 05:19 PM
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Dick DiGennaro
In the segment leaderboards, the option to view other age or weight categories (other than my own) is gone. Please restore this feature.
October 02, 2013 05:35 PM
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Dick DiGennaro

For the display of Segment Analysis and Lap charts, it would be useful to expand the elevation chart to show only the elevation portion for that lap or segment, in order to directly compare the power, speed and cadence data with changes in elevation - similar to the way it's shown in the classic version.

Also, similar to the classic version, I'd like to be able to select which data to view for analysis. For example, most of the time, I'm not interested in seeing temperature and cadence information, and I'd prefer using the available space for expanded resolution of speed and power analysis.

 

October 02, 2013 06:44 PM
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Martin Jones

How do I view the new beta page?

October 03, 2013 12:52 AM
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Alex Mather

@Tim, @Tyrone, @Maerin - We will be rolling the feature out to Premium users first over the next week or so and more users not long after that.

@Dick - thanks for the feedback. The new charts pull in significantly more points. Try zooming in on the charts on the new Analysis page by selecting a section of your ride. As for the leaderboards of Age Groups and Weight Classes that are not your own, you can click the View Full Leaderboard link below the mini-leaderboard. 

October 03, 2013 05:47 AM
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Timothy Burgher

@Alex, definitely appreciate the response and head up.  I kind of guessed that's how it would work by 'reading between the lines' in your email but figured I'd ask anyway.  That said, definitely appreciate the fact that the boards are monitored and you had a response posted up quick!  I can't wait to check it out and am pumped to see where strava goes down the road.

I've been playing around with the routes feature for road rides and planning routes based on the segments they cover which has been a blast.  I hope to see some sort of development for mountain biking in the future.  Perhaps a route planner for MTB could be based on an average of all the tracks in a particular section of woods.  I realize this comes with some caveats such as private property etc. but that stuff will all play itself out down the road.

Thanks again!  I love the service and am excited to see the community that is popping up around it.  I've met  a bunch of new people to ride with that I have been 'competing' against virtually for months now.  It's great to put a personality and real life figure to the online person I've only met through their strava performances.

October 03, 2013 06:09 AM
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Brian Hofstra

I like it overall, except for 2 things. On the Overview Page, there is no longer average power, just average weighted power.

My other concern is will I be able to use Strava with IE8? We're locked into this ancient browser at work and my concern is if I'll even be able to view my rides in that browser. I guess I can wait until I get home to view data if needed.

October 03, 2013 07:23 AM
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Dick DiGennaro
Thank you. Regarding the new format for charts, zooming in on a portion of the ride data or looking at segment data does enhance the resolution along the horizontal axis, but seems to do nothing to improve the resolution along the vertical axis. The previous version of the charts had significantly better vertical resolution and scaling for evaluating variations in speed, power, etc. Also, the previous version enabled direct comparison of performance with variations in elevation. The format for charts in the new version has a slightly cleaner appearance, but has significantly reduced functionality without those features from the previous format.
October 03, 2013 07:59 AM
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Dick DiGennaro

When an activity is designated to be on a Stationary Trainer, the new format appears to have eliminated the ability to list the analysis data for Laps (i.e. Intervals). A lap may viewed individually if the duration is sufficient to pick out the desired interval, but a list of all laps with the performance data is preferable. For example:

http://www.strava.com/activities/86678268

This observation and my earlier comments suggest an overall distinction for development and enhancements to Strava between becoming primarily a recreational-cycling-social-networking web application vs. a more serious software tool for individual training and for sharing information regarding training performance among club members, coaching, teams, etc. I would hope that Strava can be a tool for both types of users, but my comments suggest that some of the formatting details related to training performance need additional attention. Thank you.

October 03, 2013 12:00 PM
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Chris B

When viewing a segment leaderboard and picking to only view "My Results", is it possible to add in a column for the date of each ride?

It is helpful to see how you have improved over time. 

October 03, 2013 03:59 PM
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Alex Mather

@Dick - thanks again for your ideas. I will look into your problem viewing laps as it appears to be a problem on our end,

 

@Chris - great idea, thanks!

October 03, 2013 04:00 PM
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Mike Watts

@Dick Thanks for the feedback. Laps should show on your trainer ride. We'll look into it.

October 03, 2013 04:55 PM
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Frédéric L.

when you give Kudos on new leaderboard, counter don't increment and still count old counting

October 04, 2013 11:35 AM
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Dan DeVoto

Please restore the ability to see ALL AGE & WEIGHT GROUPS.  I'm 66 and like to compare my activities to ALL the other age groups.

October 05, 2013 08:20 AM
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Ed Warner

I couldn't find the option for cropping a ride on the new layout, so I had to switch back go classic to do a crop.  

October 05, 2013 02:54 PM
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Felipe Bergo

A few comments about the new layout: 1) It seems to be impossible to select a portion of the altimetry chart in overview mode (Firefox + Linux). Such selections are useful to see more detailed altimetry, especially in long rides; If/when the old activity page goes away, we lose a good feature. 2) in the analysis view, selecting portions of the ride does not zoom the altimetry, nor is the altimetry shown as a separate chart below. The new graph layout in this view is too similar to Garmin Connect, which is awful. 3) IMHO, the ride map should be visible when you first open an activity, and the new layout has it too far down.

 

And one last comment, actually a feature request that seems to fit easily on the new analysis view: allow us to view cadence, heart rate and power charts averaged over user-selectable periods of time (a range from from 5 secs to 10 minutes seems reasonable). Viewing cadence with those spiked instant values is painful.

 

October 05, 2013 04:13 PM
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Alex Mather

@Dan Devoto - you can still click the "View Full Leaderboard" link under the mini-leaderboard to view all categories.

@Ed Warner - you can access "Crop Ride" from the wrench icon under the ride page navigation on the left side of the page.

@Felipe - thank you for your feedback.

October 05, 2013 07:17 PM
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Clockwork H.

My first impression of the new analysis page is not good. The vertical scale of the charts is way too small significant data. For example if my heart rate is between 120 and 170 then a scale that lets me see where it was over 150 is useful. I can't do that with the new charts.

I also like to be able to switch of some of the charts. I don't see how to do this with the new ones either.

I liked the data overlayed - when viewing data (either the whole ride, segments  or selected) it's easier to compare the effect of a slope, increase in pace etc if the lines are on the same chart.

 

I'm sorry to say that I think the new look is a retrograde step for analysis and that's what I like Strava for.

October 06, 2013 07:34 AM
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Clockwork H.

Having looked again at the page I can say that I do like the new way of displaying segments and the hover feature to show where a segment is on the ride.

However the more  I look at the analysis chart the more I am convinced they are not fit for purpose. My opinion is that you need to decide whether Strava is an athlete's tool or some kind of social media showing off tool. The new charts indicate the latter. If that's the case then my premium subscription may be up for discussion.

You should be able to click on the suffer score number and go to the HR analysis.

And why is there no way to go from one ride to the next? A simple next and previous button so you can scroll through the ride. One of the few things I think Garmin connect actually has right.

October 07, 2013 12:54 AM
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John Barnard

Not impressed. Layout and navigation is more complicated and new "features/improvements" are in my opinion no better than the old ones. Just shows how changing an already good idea can ruin it! 

Why change something which is already fit for purpose! Too mmany geeks sat at keyboards with nothing better to do than change for the sake of change?

How much of this is based on user feedback suggesting current functions are not adequate? For gods sake leave the old layout and perhaps try asking users to try out new functions bit by bit, rate them and then add them incremntally if they are considered a good addition.

Don't just drop overcomplicated clap trap on users. Simple easy to follow functionality is sometimes better! Stop messing!!

October 08, 2013 12:59 PM
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Alex Valentine

Not a fan of the new layout. Its a serious downgrade from the previous visuals, especially the graphs which are essentially unreadable. The top navigation tabs in the "classic" view are much more usable. I can't find where to flag a ride so I had to go back to "classic" view. 

October 08, 2013 07:37 PM
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Allan O'Neil

Thanks very much for the opportunity to preview the new layout.

I haven't had much time to evaluate, but I definitely second the comments about needing more configurability of the charts - with no ability to turn off / on the display of individual data series there are just too many charts and therefore nowhere near enough vertical resolution on any of them to make them a useful tool.  The old 'Performance' tab had options to turn on / off display of each individual series on the chart enabling focus on whatever aspect of the ride / segment I wanted to look at.  Surely any new layout should preserve and enhance functionality, not downgrade it?

Would also strongly support the ability to adjust the vertical axis range on any of the charts - again enables the user to focus on whatever range is of interest.

Without these options, I think the new charts are backward step in user experience, regardless of how cool they may look on a first glance.

October 08, 2013 10:02 PM
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Allan O'Neil

OK, a couple more comments.

I like the idea behind the mini-Leader Board under each segment, and the  'Analyze effort' feature - but the same problems with the charts apply. Also it's very easy to miss the non-obvious way of returning from the 'Analyze Effort' view to mini-Leader Board and then back to list of segments (ie by clicking on the segment name).  Hitting the browser 'Back' button - at least in Firefox - dumps me right back to the classic ride view.

There are some navigation problems in Full Screen mode - the ride map just scrolls off the top of the screen as you scroll through the segment listing, and if you hit 'Analyze Effort' while in Full Screen mode nothing but a blank area comes up (this is in Firefox 24.0 Win7 64 bit) - I seem to have to go out of full screen and back  to Overview to restore things.

What's the new decimal number (?score) at the right under each segment name - looks like it's meant to show where your PR sits in the segment ranking (eg 5th out of 100 = 0.05) but it's not calculating properly - for me it's showing 1.11 (1793/1621 when I hover over it ??) on a segment where the leaderboard says I'm 467/1686.

Keep trying, I think there's plenty of potential with the new view BUT you gotta fix those damn charts!!

October 08, 2013 10:36 PM
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Paul Nesfield

I found it all too busy, there's a lot of info being displayed and the I found it confusing to get to see more details of a ridden segment, with a zoomable map. I'm sure I'd get used to it but it seems that the current drill down through pages is easier to navigate that scrolling around a bigger page to get to the button to click. I didn't find the new graph scales to be that easy to see, especially the thinness of the line. I've reverted back to the current page style.

October 09, 2013 02:29 AM
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Sébastien V.

I was waiting for an improvement of the ride pages for a long time and I'm not disappointed, I like it  a lot !

Just a few things about the "analysis" view :
- If I zoom in the map and try to make a selection, it is unzooming the map.
- As another guy previously said, it would be cool to have a zoomed view of altitude, maybe just on top of speed graph and only when a selection is done.

Keep up the good work :)

October 09, 2013 03:35 AM
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Tom Mahon

I have to agree with the majority.

1. The charts are no good; they look cool but big backwards step for analysis. They need to be overlapped on top of each other, you need to be able to turn off the ones you don’t want and much bigger vertical zoom. The old ones were perfect!

2. I want to be able to see the leader board and the graphs at the same time.

3. Massive deviation from the KISS rule.  This is going to make it hard for new Strava members. The old way was beautifully intuitive; the new one is offputtingly complex.

And how do you change back to the old way of viewing?  I can’t find a way to undo the change :(

October 09, 2013 03:45 AM
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Sébastien V.

@Tom Under the the left panel => "Return to classic ride page".
1. I'm not agree at all with you, overlapped graphs where a real pain, the new one are quite perfect for me. What the point to overlapped graphs that have different scale, it's unreadable.
2. What for ? I'm curious :)
3. What the hell is complicated in the new page ???

October 09, 2013 04:01 AM
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Stephen Dag

Overall, I love the new look, but I certainly prefer the old way that HR Zone data was displayed for premium members. The single bar of the old chart was easier to visualize and absorb than the separate zone bars of the new chart. Worse though, is that there is less information in the new chart with percentage time in zone having been dropped from the altogether. 

Another niggle is that I don't like having to press "Show More" to see important ride statistics such as average/max hr and cadence. This is particularly annoying since there is lots of wasted space under the page section containing my user icon, ride title and description. Unless you have plans for this space, it seems a better layout could display all the "show more" stats without needing to click a button.

Perhaps this is not the right place, but could you consider including a freshness/fitness chart based on HR data rather than just power data. For example, this could be done using a similar statistic to TRIMP ride scores or your suffer score. Golden Cheetah has this feature for stress charts and the information is very valuable. Limiting the freshness/fitness charts to power meter users is, well ,limiting!

On the whole though, great work!

October 09, 2013 04:42 AM
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Matt !

As some of the others have said, I like the layout however I think the following needs refinement:

- The charts need to be taller so you can actually see the variations, not just read the numbers as you hover the mouse over it.

- The elevation needs to more closely scale to the ride.  e.g. If a ride elevation only fluctuates by 15m, why scale it from 0m  to 200m?

- Adding dates, at least for my results, on the mini-leaderboard would be very useful.

- I'd also like the map to be taller on both the Overview and Analysis screens.  And there doesn't need to be as big of a gap between the map and "Top Results" field on the Overview page.  Perhaps it could save the height that I left it at last time?

October 09, 2013 04:48 AM
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Simon Orange

are you planning on rolling these pages out to the Run pages ? ......currently the run pages are so bad that this would be a huge improvement

October 09, 2013 06:17 AM
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Jeff Church

Please keep the classic page as a switch.

The new 'ZONES' move Tempo to moderate and Threshold to 'intensity'? Many folks I know find this inappropriate and dislike it. Please return the titles to the classic names.

Another issue that I know Strava has been working on but as of yet hasn't solved is the Strava 'Ghost Time' that is added to actual time as recorded by Garmin devices.

I'm exploring all the new tweaks to learn them.

Thanks!

October 09, 2013 11:27 AM
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Jessica H.

The charts are definitely a big issue. Such incredibly low contrast that I can't see the numbers easily, and everything is so tiny.

On the laps view, I can't add cadence or other options to the mini-graph. When I'm doing laps that target a specific cadence range, there's no data there!

Some toggles for charts that want to view would be good, and an option to overlay them to be like the old one. Really finding viewing the actual data a pain.

Also, the missing comparison against other riders and/or my own PB/QOM has got to be restored.

October 09, 2013 01:24 PM
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Ross Holman

Just seeing the new Ride page for the first time today and overall I think it is a positive improvement with more powerful analysis features. However a few bugs and issues still to work through:

  • Stationary trainer rides are still not treated correctly particularly in relation to Laps appearing. This stuff is really easy to test just create 4 trainer ride files that contain laps with the GPS turned on and off. Then upload the files and either click the Stationary Trainer check box or don't. 4 variants in all. You will see the UI and behaviour within the various pages/options changes for each variant in an inconsistent manner. 
  • http://www.strava.com/activities/88055197/heartrate This is a link to a trainer ride where you tell me I spent 0'secs in each heart rate band even though the heart rate data is on the charts. You'll also see the Analysis and Laps page buttons don't appear on this trainer ride but do on this one http://www.strava.com/activities/86719312/analysis
  • When you click to view the Analysis page and then click a 'lap' bar to zoom in there is no way to 'unzoom' and go back to viewing the whole ride.
  • I like that on the charts you show the average line for Power, Cadence etc but the UI is a bit inconsistent in that if you click Laps you don't get told cadence on the table or in the chart and no average line is shown. It would be nice to have the average value shown at teh right hand edge of this chart as there is space.
  • Why can't I select a portion of the chart on the Laps page to zoom in as I can on the other charts?
  • On the Overview page why only display 2 lines of the ride notes when you have so much space. Show all the notes unless the overflow the maximum space available in which case show the dots.
  • The Show more button on the Overview page is an annoyance. I've clicked a ride because I wan't to know everything about it so why hide  4 lines of data and require me to click a button every time to view this information.

More to follow as I spend more time with the new UI. 

Keep up the good work.

October 09, 2013 02:55 PM
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Alex Mather

Thanks for the feedback everyone. The Analysis page is very much a work in progress and your feedback is very helpful. More soon.

October 09, 2013 02:59 PM
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Ross Holman

I think more consistency between segments and Laps would be good. Conceptually they are the same thing. A lap is a 'segment' of a ride that is created by me pressing a button (or automatically through a workout) and a Segment is a section of a ride created automatically based on matching GPS data. When I come to analyse the data for a 'segment' or a lap I'm doing the same thing.

 

Therefore the 'Analyse Effort' button functionality you see when you click on a segment should also be available on the Lap page under the current pretty useless graph on the top right. 

October 09, 2013 03:15 PM
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Snusmumrik .

My first impression is that it resembles an improved version of the Android app more than it resembles the old web version.

The new layout is not using the available screen real estate in an efficient manner. It is cramped, unnecessarily compartmentalized and resists a cleare overview.

For example, due to the new page selector menu taking up space to the left that was previously used for the actual activity page, quite a large chunk of horizontal screen real estate, which could be used to display actual useful stuff, has now instead been rendered useless. Meanwhile, everything useful has been made more narrow horizontally as a consequence. Moving the page selector menu all the way to the top could be a solution, as the lost vertical space would be less than the space now lost horizontally.

The ability to change the size of the map is a welcome change, though. It would be amazing if that functionality could be extended to all the different fields of the page, so the layout could be customized as we each please.

While some of the new functionality is nice, the loss of previous functionality is obviously not. 

In particular, I am really missing the zoomable elevation chart and the option to toggle specific charts on the Analysis page, but I agree with almost every other criticism mentioned earlier in this thread with regards to functionality.

October 09, 2013 04:00 PM
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Jessica H.

As a simple fix, you really need to move that stupid nav-box on the left hand side. Put it on the right-hand side, and the content I want to see would fit perfectly. As it is now, I have to scroll horizontally every time. That fix alone would avoid needing to horizontally scroll.

I do like how both the laps & segments show on the Analysis view; that's very nice. I think the separate Laps view also needs to stay. It's fairly good as is, just like in previous comment, needs some of the other metrics.

The one thing on the Analysis view about the graphs that keeps nagging at me is the lack of gridlines, which I suppose is due to how small the graphs are. I really would love to see a button that'd collapse all the graphs into a single larger chart, with proper grid lines like in the "classic" view, with the option to hide the data I don't want.

Otherwise, am already growing to like it a bit better. I also agree about the "show more" to get the overall other stats like cadence, etc.

Really do hope comparisons will be making a comeback though...

October 09, 2013 05:00 PM
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Patrick McNally

I would like to have the lightning bolt put back for real power users.

October 09, 2013 06:55 PM
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Kelly Holsten

I have to add my dislike for the new layout.  I'm all for more information but unfortunately, the layout is NOT as easy to glance at and read, looks more jumbled, and is basically a step down in quality.  You have taken something simple and made it less pleasing to use.   Reminds of the new and improved gmail that was new but not improved.  I appreciate more info but you lost some of the good things about the old layout which was far more intuitive. 

October 09, 2013 07:58 PM
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Tom Mahon

@ Sébastien V.

Thanks for the pointing out where the switch back was. i don't know i how i didn't see that.

1. Overlapping graphs are useful as 1 they free up a lot more space so the graph can be bigger and 2 you can see much easier the effect each of the variables have on one another.  I just get a lot more out of them all together.

2. I really like looking at the analysis page and working out how much more time I could gain in certain places and also looking at time I lost as a result of having to stop for a set of lights etc, then taking that time off my segment time and seeing where that would have put me in the leader board. 

3. It seems more complicated to me and I find myself going back and forward between the ride and the analysis page a lot.  Also as others noted the comparison is missing and that was really valuable.

The page does look really good though.  Top Marks for Strava for not sitting on their laurels with a bit of tweaking on the graphs and other bits and pieces it should be great.

 

October 09, 2013 08:40 PM
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Allan O'Neil

Me again

Like many I probably focused initially on what wasn't great about the new layout, but overall I think the it can be a big step forward if the glitches and charting issues can be fixed / improved.  The ability to drill down into and then back out of different elements of an activity is cool (once you learn how to navigate it).  The segment "timeline" (gantt-style chart) underneath the profile is a great way to quickly zoom to a segment, the dynamic highlighting of segments on the map and activity profile as you hover over segments etc is nice.

So overall, yes lots of improvements but let down by some of the basic issues I and others have highlighted.

A couple of other requests / comments:

- getting an expanded view of the altitude profile (both horizontally and vertically) when analysing an effort, directly on top of or along with (selectable!) zoomed charts for other data would be an improvement on just having the segment highlighted on the overall activity profile.  For short segments on a long ride you can't really pick out what altitude is doing as you pan across the expanded speed / power / HR charts

- there is no average gradient calculation for Selections which aren't segments, and even the average gradient and elevation difference shown under Segment names are incorrect.  Once you drill into a segment with the ' Analyze Effort'  control, you even lose this (currently incorrect) average from the view.  Average gradient for a selection or segment is a really useful piece of data for riders.

October 09, 2013 10:40 PM
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Peeter Pahn

Firstly, I like the new method for selecting segments, the old method did not work with overlapped segments. However, two important features I use have been dropped (unless I have overlooked them):

1. Ability to filter data based on time e.g. This Month, This year etc. I use this quite frequently

2.  As a previous poster pointed out, no average gradient reading for a user selected section of a ride - this is very important when planning a ride from other users rides in order to see what hills I would be up against.

Please do not reduce the functionality of an excellent application by removing important features for the sake of mostly cosmetic improvements.

October 09, 2013 11:27 PM
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Adrian Bennett

One thing I'd really like to see is the ability to filter or at least see the the bike used on the "My Results" leaderboard.

October 10, 2013 02:45 AM
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Snusmumrik .

Just want to echo the request for the reintroduction of the average gradient reading for a user selected section of a ride. If elevation was simply added as a zoomable chart along with the current speed, power, heart rate, cadence and temperature charts, then the average gradient reading would return as well.

October 10, 2013 06:05 AM
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Scawen Roberts

Regarding the map view when you click on a segment.  I've pointed this out before on the run pages, and was told it was a great idea.  Not really, it's just obvious... and you can fix it in 2 minutes.  So here goes :

There are just  as many north-south segments as east-west segments, so why have you set that map to be 3 times as wide as it is high, with no way to adjust it?  It should be square, reflecting the fact that segments can be in all directions.

October 10, 2013 06:30 AM
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Snusmumrik .

Analyzing particular segment efforts from the full leaderboard page now requires an extra step. When you click on a segment effort from the full leaderboard page, you will now be sent back to the effort overview for that segment (with the miniature leaderboard and everything overview'ish). 

From here you then have to click the Analyze effort button to get to the details page for that segment effort. It would make a lot more sense if, like in the old version, you were brought straight to the analysis page, when you clicked a segment effort from the full leaderboard page.

October 10, 2013 06:52 AM
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Snusmumrik .

It seems there is now no way to check the precise length of a particular segment effort. Segment efforts often deviate in length from the segment itself, depending on the quality of the GPS data for a particular ride.

This is also the reason why some segment efforts are occasionally ranked higher than other efforts, even though they were in reality slower: Based on the GPS data, they've simply ridden a shorter stretch of road than the full length of the segment itself and are therefore registered by the system as being faster.

In the old version you could check the precise length of each particular segment effort to determine if you or someone else had achieved a certain ranking because of inadequate GPS data points. This is now no longer possible.

October 10, 2013 07:42 AM
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Scawen Roberts

That is really something that Strava staff should work on.  Taking segment effort times as the time between the nearest points to the start and end is not good enough.  Data points are often several seconds apart, due to "smart data recording" even when the data is good.  The accuracy of segment timing is no better than this at the moment, but can be!  Strava developers need to sit down for a short time and work out an interpolation calculation, just to the nearest second would be fine.

One simple method that could be up and running in an hour or two would be to fill in the "missing seconds" with interpolated points between the points supplied by the device, then work out segment efforts based on those points.

October 10, 2013 08:00 AM
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Snusmumrik .

Completely agree. It's quite baffling to me that they've not done this yet.

October 10, 2013 08:26 AM
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Scawen Roberts

I just made a diagram (attached gif image) to explain a simple method to improve segment results.  Hope it helps to describe what I'm thinking.

Segments are really important to a lot of us.  The leaderboards of shorter segments would look different if you did a vaguely accurate calculation.

October 10, 2013 09:55 AM
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Allan O'Neil

@Snusnmumrik, @Scawen Roberts : Completely agree, calculations and leaderboards for short segments are total rubbish at the moment, leaders invariably have average speeds reported which exceed any instantaneous speed they have actually recorded for each data point in the effort.

You can still work out the actual distance recorded in an effort from its start and end distances: ride distance appears in the new view to the right of the main profile as you pan the cursor across any of the charts for the effort; but as you say, Strava should do this calculation itself and use it - or Scawen's nice extrapolation / interpolation version - as the basis for average speeds and leaderboards.

October 10, 2013 01:09 PM
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Greg Holley

Some pluses I suppose, though I'm not a big fan of changing interfaces just for bling. But I do like the fact that you've separated out different curves rather than superimposing them on one chart.

That said, there's at least one extremely irritating minus: when I want to look at a segment, I don't see it on a new page, which means there's lots less real estate. In particular, when i want to compare segments (either against my friends, or in particular when I'm looking at my own history of a segments, I want to see more information, not less, on each line. (From memory I think the new interface shows name, time, and maybe power.) Date would be nice, for example: maybe I want to see my best time this year.

October 11, 2013 09:44 AM
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Martin Smith

One thing i have noticed is missing from the new ride pages is the comparison button. I use this tool quite often for seeing where is have lost/gained time on the koms and my own pb's. Please tell me this feature is not being removed.

October 11, 2013 10:05 AM
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Ross Holman

Why, why, why is the laps page the poor relation of the Analysis page. You've developed a perfectly good UI for the Analysis page so make the Laps page the same except you replace the horizontal laps bar with the Laps table you currently display on the Laps page. Put the Charts above the table (as they appear on the Analysis page) and its a great solution. The current lap page is very weak, the chart in the top right is pretty much useless and no cadence information is shown. Why. Who made this arbitrary decision.

I've said it before. Laps and Segments are conceptually the same thing, part of a longer ride. For people using Strava to help with there training Laps are important.

October 11, 2013 10:16 AM
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Andrew Lamb

Can we get back the compare against your own PR and against the KOM? Good to see where I need to gain speed. Also can we have the option to view heart rate/speed/elevation on the one graph like previously as it's a lot easier to analyze.

And there are now too many clicks to get to the segment leaderboard, as I like to analyse my heart rate and power against my previous times. Perhaps if that additional information was added to the ride page in the new segment section

October 11, 2013 06:22 PM
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Jessica H.

@Ross Holman laps are already on the analysis page... look at the lil grey bars underneath the main elevation profile. Maybe not as accessible, but certainly there. The laps page I find useful in a different way, and is pretty good minus the lack of cadence on the lil chart.

October 11, 2013 08:22 PM
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VII .

I'm ambivalent about the new layout.  But I don't understand how you could remove an important feature just to experiment with a new look.  Where did the compare performance go?  Please  bring back the compare against your PR and against the KOM.  It provides valuable information.  I won't be renewing the Premium if this feature doesn't return.

October 12, 2013 06:12 PM
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Ty Brown
All of the flat segments and descents have disappeared ?! Nothing for sprinters now?
October 12, 2013 09:15 PM
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Jessica H.

@Ty Brown ooh, I didn't think to look at the elevation of missing segments. You can still unhide them; but yes, am very disappointed that the new layout appears to trigger automatically hiding these segments. It's been frustrating to make them all visible again. And also that I've not been awarded QOM after unhiding them. Strava have failed miserably here.

October 13, 2013 02:45 AM
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David Lewis

Sorry but I really don't like it

October 13, 2013 03:18 AM
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seth toomay

 Kudos to Strava for making the new ride page available as a sneak peak while keeping the current production version. It could have been worse. Lots of issues as outlined above...  Y axis scale, no data overlap, and klunky navigation to name a few. I second the missing lightning bolt for power meter users. I think this will take a few iterations over the next few months before the new ride page is better than the current one but I think it will get there!

October 13, 2013 08:35 AM
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Marc Pontif

As a lot of people I think that we loose many useful functionalities in this new version (ability to zoom on altitude graph, easy segment creation by selecting directly on the altitude graph, graphics are very difficult to read they are really too small, please keep the current version avalaible until this new version including at least all the very valuable feature of the current version will be really finilized.

October 14, 2013 12:36 PM
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Alex Malinovich

I really like the new design overall, though the segment view still needs a bit of work IMO. There's a lot of data that's no longer shown that I look at pretty often (like the dates of my previous results so I can see my progress over time), and having to click a dropdown every time I want to compare my standing on different leaderboards is kind of tedious. Other than that, the new design is great. The explore view is finally caught up to what's been available on the mobile versions for a while, and is far surpassing them at this point which is really awesome.

October 14, 2013 12:49 PM
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Rob Barker

Excellent new design!

October 14, 2013 02:45 PM
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Matt van Baalen

Overall, not really a fan.  The main page for a ride doesn't present well, too complicated.  The wonderful thing about the old ride page was how simple it was to use, and how well it presented on the screen.  The analysis section isn't that great, I liked the graphs having the ability to overlap and being able to compare your effort against your PR and the KOM is a must.  That said, I do think the segments are improved.

October 14, 2013 03:44 PM
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Isaac Molnar

The ride/run description/notes portion of the page has a link to "expand" to read all of the notes.  That didn't work for me when they changed the Run format and isn't working when the changed over the Ride format.  I enjoy reading ride notes, but right I now I a blurb that is cut off mid-sentence with no way to expand.  Again -- same lack of functionality for Runs.

October 15, 2013 05:07 AM
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Daniel Dale

Like the new look, very slick. On the PR section in new look you only get times, but no dates like you did in old look. Can you put the dates into the new look please. Keep up the good work, still best by far!

October 15, 2013 02:35 PM
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Keith Austen

The new ride page looks brilliant - great work...

October 15, 2013 03:27 PM
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Bjarni B.

Please consider adding the ride date and time (secs) to the mini leaderboards.    Space is probably an issue but you could use hover texts (tooltip) to display this (for the date) or toggle the speed column between speed/time.      Also agree with the others that the charts/analysis need to be displayed with the leaderboard.    Would be nice to be able to see performance (speed/HR etc) on the overall ride chart as well without having to go into the analysis mode.    Keep up the great work!

October 15, 2013 03:34 PM
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seth toomay

Sent this as an email and they asked me to post it here. Screenshots are added as attachments.

There are some good things about the new ride page but there are several things that were better about the old version. Here is some feedback (some of it is reactionary to change):

 1.  The auto scale calculation does not spread the elevation out over a the available space along the Y axis. In the classic version you can tell where the hills are from the main ride page. This is hard to do with the new version.   The old scale is 400 - 600 while the for the same ride new scale is 0 to 1000. See attached files #2 and #3. Here in Dallas we have very few hills to ride and it is nice to have an exaggerated view of where those hills are. :-)

 2. There is no way to look at your performance from the main page. There is an extra click to get into the ANALYSIS tab. An extra click for no good reason. I ride the same handful of routes most days. I know where I ride and I know the elevation. When I load a ride up onto Strava the thing I care about is how I performed on the ride, not necessarily where I went. It would be nice if that performance data was visible from the overview tab.  

2a. When you click on a segment you can not see how you performed on that segment without clicking on the ANALYZE EFFORT button which is similar to the iOS app. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it would be more convenient to see your other metrics int he segment page without having to perform a second click. 

3. Need to add horizontal grid lines on the elevation graph on the ANALYSIS page. Also need better horozontal lines on the HR/power/cadence graphs. Graphing this like a nelson rules control chart would make better sense. You would graph the average like you currently do and then graph two horozontal scale lines (an upper control limit UCL and a lower control limit LCL). Could also draw horozontal lines at the first, second, and third standard deviations above and below the mean.   It looks like you guys are trying to subscribe to the Tufte school of graphic display which is a good way to go. However, additional horozontal scale lines are important when making visual quantitative comparisons within a graph. In the screenshot below it is difficult for me to tell what is going on.  See attaced image #4

 

3. Scale- I think there are issues with Y axis scale at many places inside the site. This needs mentioning again.  Again the upper limit of the elevation graph is set too high. Same is true with the upper limit of cadence.  

4. Data overlap- There are definite benefits to being able to overlap data in the current web version. It is particularly useful to see how your effort and HR response relative to the terrain. Having these separated can make it more difficult to make some comparisons. What would be a possible solution is to keep the design of the new ride page but double the height in pix of the elevation graph and fix the auto scale. Then in the individual data graphs below have an overlay check box that will overlay the given graph onto the elevation graph above. If there are good horozontal scale lines on the individual data graphs then you do not need to worry as much about the scale on the overlay. 

5. Cadence graph- the cadence graph really causes the most problems when overlapped on other data. The issues is not when you are spinning at 80 to 100 rpm. The clutter comes from the lines that connect the 100 rpm to the 0 rpm. If there was a way to only graph a segment of the cadence when you are actually recording a data vale and not try to connect to dots when the delta is greater than say 20 rpm. You could graph the 0s at the bottom of the graph but just not connect them with these horozontal lines. Also a median calculation for some metrics would be more useful than a mean. See attached image #5

 

Thanks for your effort with Strava it is a great product and I hope this redesign is an iterative improvement.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your effort with Strava it is a great product and I hope this redesign is an iterative improvement.

 

October 15, 2013 05:00 PM
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Snusmumrik .

"2. There is no way to look at your performance from the main page. There is an extra click to get into the ANALYSIS tab. An extra click for no good reason. I ride the same handful of routes most days. I know where I ride and I know the elevation. When I load a ride up onto Strava the thing I care about is how I performed on the ride, not necessarily where I went. It would be nice if that performance data was visible from the overview tab."

This is a really important insight, I feel.

A simple solution would be to introduce a setting that gives the user the option of choosing, which tab to open when opening an effort. A sort of "effort start page" setting.

October 16, 2013 10:25 AM
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Daniel Dale

After a couple of days using it, its a little grey, perhaps inject a little colour in the elevation map, the sections that appear underneath it? 

October 16, 2013 12:17 PM
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Malcolm Tasker

The occasional rider can ride an unbelievable ride, so I like to click on the date then his performance and check to see if their speed is genuine

or even do your own comparsion to the KOM.....I cannot find these two functions anymore.

October 17, 2013 02:39 AM
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Andy M.

Strava. You really, really REALLY need to restore PB/Rider comparisons to segments. that was invaluable and is sorely missed! Sort it out!

October 17, 2013 01:22 PM
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Steffen Enni

Not impressed.  The old layout is better IMHO, most of the reasons has already been mentioned.  But here's my top complaints.

Old layout has

- Bigger map (good, easier to see)
- Taller graphs for elevation/power/speed/cadence (good, easier to read)
- Segments on a separate page enables much more information.  The new way of showing segments inline doesn't give you the same options.

New layout
- Wastes space, click on Overview and "Show More".  Now there is a huge white space below my photo showing nothing.  Not good on a small screen. I basically have to scroll down one screen to see the map.  On the old layout important information was at the top.

October 17, 2013 09:11 PM
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Ron Smeets
Please make it iPad compatible!
October 18, 2013 02:36 PM
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Nikki Baker

Am I missing something..... on the old page I liked that you could immediately see the number of achievements you had gained for that ride (immediate validation for your feeling whether it was a good, OK or bad training ride).....and then you could go into the segment data etc as you wished.  I can't seem to see a summary of number of achievements on the page......have I missed it?

October 18, 2013 05:00 PM
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Alan o
Not a big fan of the new ride page, I preferred how the other one worked. You need to. Restore the comparison button and the ability to check all age and weight not just mine.
October 19, 2013 04:02 AM
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Steve Penna

Quite nice - I like a lot of thew new feature, but it is missing a few things from the old pages at the moment:

- Best efforts power table. I appreciate that the graph is there now, but having the table broken down into 1m 5m etc was more useful IMO

- Clicking on a power segment (i.e. 1 minute) to see where on the ride it was achieved.

- Segment comparison

- The speed/power graphs are much smaller now, so are less useful. They should be taller, with the option to hide (e.g. hide power)

- When analysing a segment, there is no zoomed elevation graph - it shows the elevation graph for the whole ride

- Having the show/hide button at the top seems a bit pointless. Maybe that is because it only shows/hides calories for me when I don't wear a HRM. Could we default it to 'show'? It's annoying not seeing calories without clicking!

 

I'm sure you've already thought of a lot of those and they are in the works. Looking forward to more cool stuff!

October 19, 2013 04:41 AM
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Steve Hindman

So many comments, I'm this one has been covered, but I'll add it anyway and keep it short.  The vertical resolution of the analysis page charts is terrible. I did a CX race that had only about 20 feet of elevation change and the y axis of the chart was set at 600 feet. On the classic page, the same chart has the y axis maximum set to 40 feet - much more useful.

Also, what changes were made to the classic pages? Why is the summary widget now located diagonally

                                                                                                                                                                                                   below the map? It is now impossible to see analysis and the map simultaneously.

October 20, 2013 03:09 PM
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Adam Rosser

I think it is interesting that one of the most common complaints about the old look is that the elevation profiles were exaggerated vertically, so that a flat ride with a 5m variation over the whole ride was made to look like a mountain range.  Now people are complaining that a flat ride looks flat.  I do not agree that this a matter that needs to be user selectable, but I think it would be good if Strava set the minimum elevation range to a smaller amount (say 300ft/100m) so that flatter rides have a bit more definition.

October 21, 2013 01:55 AM
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Dave Brodmann

I cannot use the new page create segments the way I did using the old page.  With the old page I would select a portion of my ride & then click "create segment", and that portion of the ride would be used for the new segment.  On the new page there is a "create segment" button from the "overview" page, but I cannot select a portion of my ride from the overview page.  If I go to the "analysis" page I can select a portion of my ride, but there is not a "create segment" button.  If I use the tools button => create segment, it does not "pre-load" my selection into the create segment.  I know you can use the slider from within the create segment page, but it does not give the granularity that you have if you pre-select the segment from the analysis page.  That's what I used to do with the old page.  

 

October 21, 2013 02:50 AM
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Scawen Roberts

That has always been the case in the "new" (now quite old) running pages.  From day one you have not been able to select a portion of a run for any purpose (including to make a segment).  However, fine grained control is still available... first use the sliders on the create segment page to set the segment roughly, then you should see "Move Start Point" and "Move End Point" above some "Back" and "Forward" buttons, that allow you to move the segment start and end points by individual data steps.

October 21, 2013 03:55 AM
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Mojo Monkey
I still do not like the new run pages, and I will be sad if the ride pages end up adopting many of those bum "improvements." Sounds like the ability to compare segment efforts has been pulled from rides now as well, and there is more clicking required and less information density on the pages. I hope that is addressed before the pages move out of beta. Hopefully the response will be better than that of the new run pages or the removal of API access. DC Rainmaker covered a couple of Strava missteps here: http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/07/cutting-removing-functionality.html
October 21, 2013 06:11 AM
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Lynn Guyot

The new page layout is starting to grow on me. Here are a couple of points to consider:

1) The ride description was never public before. As such I have treated it as private and who rather some of my descriptions not become public wth the rollout of new pages. At a minimum you should make public display of ride description configurable. My suggestion is a defualt check box for Viewable in settings and an the capability to override individual rides with a check box on the ride edit page.

2) When viewing a segment and selecting the option to list riders on the segment as of "today," the notion of "today" should be tied to the ride date, not the actual day. This way you can always see who was out there on the segment at the time you were, even if they choose to upload their rides once per week or every couple of days. The way it is now, you only know who was out there if you check on the same day, hoping that all people uploaded their ride on the day of the ride. However, If Im curisous about a rider I passed on yesterday's ride I cant get any info if the rider does not upload around or before I upload, or the fact that Im checking a day later.

3) SImilar issue with "Last week" or "last month." Those lists of people should be generated for the last 7 days or the last 30 days from the date of the ride. They should not be tied to every Monday or the 1st day of the actual month. If I want to check out a segment that I rode a 5 days ago and I want to see who was on the segment the week prior to the ride I should be able to do that.

This is social fitness. Lets encourage the Social in terms of finding out who was out there on the same segment, the same day as you.

October 21, 2013 10:19 AM
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Eric Johnson

The new pages really aren't working for me. Generally what I want to see, beyond knowing any new KOMs etc, is how I've performed on the day against my peers (similar wind conditions etc.). To get this currently I need to go to the full segment leaderboard. None of the other drop-down comparisons in the mini leaderboard matter to me, KOM is KOM and best of my age or weight group means nothing to me other than serving as a reminder that I'm getting fat and pathetic in my old age. But I do want to know how other attempts on a segment on the day of that ride stack up to my own attempt. I always want to know that. Every ride.

If it were up to me, I'd make sure that info is displayed by default, without even springing the mini-leaderboard.  For me, what I want to know on a segment for a ride (other than time, speed, power, HR) are the %ile ranking of that attempt vs all my own previous attempts, my ranking on the segment overall amongst attempts ridden on that day.. e.g.

Segment Name,  Time, Speed, Power,    HR, %ile (my results), Today comparison

My Flat Segment 0:48s 56km/h 650w    170     72nd                    [KOM 0:43] CrusherMcGee 0:47(1)<me 0:48(2)<FlatulentFred 1:02(3)

If there was something like that in the summary, I wouldn't even bother opening the mini leaderboard on most rides.  The 'today comparison' would tell me the overall KOM time, and the results for today showing my time, my standing on today's leaderboard, and the times and standings of the next fastest and slowest guys on the day. e.g. in the example I gave, the KOM time on the segment would be 43 seconds, Crusher McGee was best on the day at 47s, I was 2nd best at 48s, and Flatulent Fred was 3rd best at 1:02. Maybe for bonus point also show not just time but speed for each (KOM and above/below efforts on the day).  Of course in real life there usually is no faster person on the day so that would be represented by dashes most of the time :) :)

I know I probably won't get my way, but maybe at least this info could make it into the mini leaderboard so that I don't have to navigate to full segment leaderboard pages for every segment in the ride?

 

 

October 21, 2013 01:22 PM
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Tim B
Not a big fan or the new ride page myself. I have persisted it for a couple of weeks now but have reverted to the old way. I find it far too confusing, way too much information in what feels to be very disorganised. The graphs are hard to read, i found it much better when they were overlayed in the old format. Private segments are not obvious with a padlock like they used to be and it is terrible trying to view it on an iPad. By all means, have the ability to drill down and analyse whatever you want, but i think as an initial landing point for a lot of people, the old way works best. Just my 2 cents worth
October 27, 2013 02:49 PM
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Sergey Robot

Would be nice to see zoomed-in eleation graph, like this: http://i.imgur.com/ntUNpxY.png

What's the point of hiding ride summary things behind the "Show More" button? Just show all of it.

Why is Analysis a separate tab at all? Just put all the graphs in one page. Simpler.

October 27, 2013 08:55 PM
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Konrad Beckmann

I'm with Sergey! I really miss being able to zoom in the elevation graph. 

When in the Analyse-page and selecting a part of a ride (that is not a segment), the gray text below the elevation graph is very subtle, yet provides relly important data. It would be nice to make this text more visible by changing color or font size. Elevation %, time and so on for the selection is really interesting, at least for me.

October 31, 2013 07:19 AM
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Darren Jahn

The new look is very nice. There is lots to like here.

That said:

1) I REALLY, REALLY miss the comparison against other riders and/or my own PR/KOM. Please don't remove this functionality!

2) When analyzing a segment, there is no zoomed elevation graph—it shows the elevation graph for the whole ride which isn't very helpful when you're analyzing an individual segment.

3) The map is small even when you click "Analyze Effort" which  makes it FAR more difficult to do the analysis. Please make the map at least as tall as it used to be—taller would be even better!

4) The new graphs below the map on the "Analyze Effort" page are great, but they are too small to be much help. Please make these taller or zoomable.

5) I can't figure out how to navigate back from the "Analyze Effort" page to the list of segments I was on before I clicked "Analyze Effort". The browser back button goes WAY back to the Activity Feed and I can't find an inline "back" button or a "return to segments" link. In the old layout, I would hold down "command" to open the segments I wanted to analyze in new tabs. This doesn't work in the new layout, so analyzing and navigating is pretty frustrating.

October 31, 2013 02:05 PM
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Jeff Shute

The full-screen view doesn't really work in a useful way for me.  When I've used it before, I did it because I wanted to see a full-screen map that I could scroll around to look at the ride in more detail.  In the new UI, in full-screen mode, the map is only about 1/3 of the screen.  It isn't actually any taller than in the normal view - it's just really wide.  Then other 2/3s of the screen is a huge segment list table, which isn't very useful because even if I expand a segment, it still only takes about half the screen size in the table.

I'd prefer a full screen map-only view.

November 03, 2013 05:54 PM
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Scawen Roberts

It's quite strange how the Strava developers that work on these new pages are obsessed with really wide maps with very low height.  It's as if where they live, people only ride from east to west or west to east.  Where I live in England, we sometimes do roughly circular rides or even ones that cover more ground north-south than east-west!  And lots of our segments are in a north-south type of direction too!

November 04, 2013 12:57 AM
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Snusmumrik .

After using the new layout a bit more, my main suggestions are:

1. Give me everything from the Overview tab in the Analysis tab as well, but allow the fields to be minimized like, for example, the power tabs can be minimized in the old layout. This works wonderfully. This would have the benefit of both quicker access to the stuff you want AND a clear overview. Minimize settings should be saved for maximum user friendliness. 

2. Remove the Overview tab.

3. Place "Analyze effort" and "View full leaderboard" buttons for each segment on the segment list, so we can skip directly to those without waiting for the miniature "quick view" (that is actually rather slow) to then click once more to get, where we want. As it is, navigation is a drag.

4. Why is the Description field taking up so much space, when so few people use it? Make it an expandable field instead that is collapsed by default (though perhaps automatically expanded when it's used) and put the blank space to better use.

5. Remove the "Top Results" field. This is already shown on the activity feed, so it's superfluous on the Overview tab. You are likely to scroll down to check the segment list at a glance anyway. Removing it will free up space for showing the important stuff. Alternatively, make the field smaller so its size better reflects its relative importance.

6. Enable the option to create a new segment from a selection on the Analysis tab.

7. Make the navigation menu to the left horizontal and move it to above the horizontal "Your Ride" field. Perhaps make it follow, when you scroll down, so it's always there, but I'm fine with scrolling up to access this. The point is that removing it will free up a lot of space for showing the important stuff. I don't get why the new pages have to emulate a horizontally cramped 4:3 aspect ratio, when most people have moved on to wide screen. Better to actually put the extra horizontal screen space to good use! Alternatively, you could simply keep vertical and all to the left, but make it take up way less space.

November 06, 2013 03:58 PM
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David G

First of i just wanted to say that the new format looks great IMO. Just a couple of usability issues however.

So i just uploaded some new activities this morning some of which involved PR's but they are no longer showing up as PR's in the segment analysis 

 

e.g. Segment states my PR is 4:12 when i look at the leaderboard but the segment analysis for that particular efforts states the my time was 3:40 (This Effort). Not sure what the problem is here but makes it impossible to analyse the ride without checking the leader boards for every segment and making sure Strava hasnt missed the PR for that segment. Hopefully this is just a matter of teething problems thanks to the new layout.

 

Second issue is the lack of comparison that others have already mentioned. This was one of the most useful features of the previous layout and definitely needs to be included if I'm to continue paying. 

November 06, 2013 05:20 PM
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Al S

For the most part, the new layout looks great and gives a lot more information.  It looks pretty well-finished at this point and I like it.  There is one feature that appears as though it was not connected, and that is the heart rate analysis when I have a stationary trainer ride.  The chart is there but it isn't being populated with any information.  Thanks!

November 07, 2013 01:39 PM
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