suggested this on February 27, 2012, 2:18 PM
Option to Start the Training Calendar under the "Training" tab on a Sunday as opposed to a monday
I noticed today a web gadget on the manual entry page, it has a calendar pop-up when entering dates which has <drumroll> weeks starting with Sunday:
Its very unfortunate that the Strava team is not listening to their members. This feature has been requested for a very long time now. Strava, are you there?! As a Premium Member, I would like to see this feature implemented, or at least listened to, neither of which has been the case here.
I appreciate the periodic updates from the Community Support team. Tough situation at times I'm sure. Unfortunately until Strava lets its subscribers pick weeks to start on Sunday if they choose, this service can only be "just for fun" for me. Some neat things, but I'll have to rely on my Garmin for training. Weeks that start on Sunday are so prevalent in the running community that Strava missed a pivotal data point with its current Monday orientation. Strava's community is good but looking past the bells and whistles - the business model seemed to be about data aggregation in a way that's usable. I sure hope that the product development team has in its plans for 2015 something where the data fields Strava acquires are well aligned with the popular devices used by serious cyclists and runners. Bottom line is that it's not aligned and should be.
@Richard -- I neglected to answer one point you made: a few weeks ago, I did indeed downgrade my Premium Strava account back down to the free version, specifically because of:
I highly prefer Strava. But until these features are added back, I won't be continuing with a premium Strava subscription.
@Dave -- I made no assertions about what most people "want'; I made a statement based on what the first day of the week IS. The actual first calendar day of the week isn't preference -- since the beginning of the 7-day week, Sunday has always been the first day of the calendar week. Sure, others choose to run their businesses, or organizations, or finances otherwise, starting their week on a different day (just like organizations choose to observe a fiscal year different from the calendar year). But that only serves to make my point...make it configurable and completely up to the user....which is what @Richard in his attempt to tell me to re-read the thread somehow didn't apparently read that I had posted exactly what he was saying. Make it configurable, to any day. So if, for example, someone works an odd shift that puts their 2-day "weekend" on Wednesday and Thursday, and thus they base their training on a 7-day period starting on Friday, they can do that.
@ Dave and @Bradley,
Please read the entire thread, so that your comments don't rehash old misstatements and non-issues. The case is not for Sunday vs. Monday; it is to be able to choose the start day of one's own training calendar. It is clear that most non-North-Americas start their calendars on Monday. It is equally clear that most North Americans start their calendars on Sunday. Neither is correct, except in a local sense. Some commenters would like to start their calendars on days other than Sunday or Monday. The title of the thread starts with the word "Option." Option means the ability to make an alternative selection, not change the default behavior.
Having said that, it is clear from the time duration of this thread, and the lack of meaningful action or comment from Strava engineering or product management, that they are not concerned about this issue. Since it would be trivial to implement, as a X-feature if necessary, one is left to conclude that Strava management view more glitzy features (for example, heat maps and minifeeds) as more likely to lead to an exit than responding to customers. And while Elle is extremely friendly, the direction she is given makes it clear that non-response responses are acceptable to Strava management. So if you don't like it, vote with your feet, as many have done. I will re-establish my Premium membership when I have the option to set the start day of my calendar.
Dave -- I'm not sure I follow what your point is. What would be the point of trying to court and convince people who don't have the problem? I'm not looking to have a round-table discussion about the issue, I just try not to be a complainer, and with any shortcoming or issue give sensible support for the problem, and propose a solution which demonstrates to the Strava folks why this is a good idea.
Bradley O. - Most of the replies in this thread may want the week to start on Sunday but I would make two points in response to that. Firstly, this is an English-speaking forum and US views therefore predominate. Secondly, you're not likely to have much participation in this thread from people who are happy with the current default!
I was thinking about this a little more, and while it seems most people want to start their weeks on Sunday, like most of the human race has done since the beginning of time (including me), there's actually another reason why it makes sense to make it configurable. People who are training for competitive events, like century or double-century rides, or Ironman races, etc. may want to start their weeks by counting 7 days back from the day of the week on which the event occurs, so they have even, round weeks on which to plan their training and tapering down to the exact day of the race. As this is primarily a function of how a user wants to view their own, private data, and requires no changes whatsoever to writing data, this is basically a read-only reporting function, and shouldn't be that difficult to add.
I too would like to manipulate the calendar. For instance I have started a 10 week program and the way the workouts fall and my work schedule it works best for me to start the workout week on Tuesday and end the following Monday. You should be able to start your calendar week at any point it is still a 7 day week.
I live in US but I'd like to keep Monday as start of the week when calculating weekly mileage. Strava, if you decide to change this, make it an option please.In general, Strava should offer to mix metric and imperial units the way user prefers. For example, I prefer imperial units for run distance, pace, and elevation and metric units for everything else.
This is a major bummer, and as a software developer myself that works on stuff like this -- adding a preference to allow the user to view their week according to preference should be a very minor feature to add. It changes nothing in data structures, data collection, etc. It changes database queries and display. Sunday is the first day of the week, Saturday is the seventh day of the week. Virtually every other calendar I encounter adheres to this organization:
- my computer (Mac OS X) calendar
- project management
- time and billing
- diet tracking
etc. To just up and mandate in the system that a user tracks their exercise differently seems pretty ridiculous. If you are going to offer only one option, offer the standard, not the exception. Best answer -- let the user decide.
I will let my sub run out and not renew in that case.
Thank you for the honest and non-patronizing, informative reply. This is the kind of information sharing from the development team that actually makes us feel that we are heard and replied to, even if it is not the answer we want.
Yes, I have some updates for the thread here:
We're are working on some very exciting new features and improvements, but the feature enhancement here isn't among them. We appreciate your feedback, but please understand that we simply do not have the bandwidth to incorporate each and every user suggestion into our product. Ideas like this will still exist in the "product backlog" where they can be prioritized at some later time when development allows.
- The Product Team
@Elle, any updates on your end?
@Elle: Now that you have offered a slightly more substantive response in the Manually Add a Photo to an Activity thread, perhaps you could do the same in this thread. It would be appreciated.
My Premium membership expires in a week, and as noted above, I do not intend to renew it until there is some action on this issue. I will miss lists filtered by age group. I will not miss heat maps (a meaningless red spider web centered on my house), effort comparisons (meaningless for training rides and commutes, and I already know who has better sprint power than I in races and sustained power in TTs), or the myriad of other cool features that the Product Team has deemed more essential than the basic functionality that competitors offer as routine.
Why has no Product Team manager ever offered comment in the support forums? From the outside, it appears that Strava views them as meaningless gripe sinks. Success does not lie in that direction.
Well they do have a customer advocate here, her name is Elle (there are a few others but she seems to be the most active). However it seems her role is to write affirming nondescript statements rather than relay direct feedback between user and development team. So rather than helping, it creates the environment that we were all directed to this forum with our ideas to be dumped into a quaint repository with a groomer on the side to make us feel good, though nothing is truly happening. While I am sure this is not exactly correct, it is how it feels after a while on simple issues like this one. Rather than a pleasant affirming response, I am sure we would all much rather a true response as Quentin mentioned: "this will never happen, sorry guys". Or, " this made the list but is xxx out of xxxxx, so it's going to be a long wait."
+1 for option to start my calendar on Sunday.
I'm with @Richard M, the lack of response here is head-scratchingly bizarre; does Strava have no program managers or customer advocates on board at all?
A simple "this request is #1099 out of 2030, it is projected to be completed in 2017" would suffice, even if just a wild-ass guess generated by rolling dice.
I tweeted @strava directly let's see if that gets a response.
In my country, the week start at Sunday. Our free day is Saturday and it is going like this for more then 2014 years ! So, Why do you Strava people are so arrogant and ignorant not to respect others cultures and manners ?
Yeah, I'm gone, too. +1 for RunKeeper.
For those of you that need another app/platform try run keeper. It is not stricktly built for cyclists but very good for ALL training and good customer service..
I'm with you Steve, dropping Strava. See you on sporttracks and Ridewithgps.
I've been a member since before there was a free membership. I stopped using strava this year solely due to the lack of this feature.
I suppose there's the answer to listening to customers.
Finally something more illuminating than the standard non-response (read comments in this thread on 2014-01-14 and 2014-07-17, for example). Please identify the Strava person who sent that response, so we can express our appreciation.
My Premium membership expires in two weeks. I do not plan to renew until this feature is rolled out. I will miss filtered results, but not most of the other Premium features. Vote with your feet.
I emailed support and was told there are no plan to add tho feature. Blows my mind. Cancelled Premium!
At this point having a feature like that is not planned. Sorry about that.
I want the option to start my calendar on Sunday (or any day of my choosing). I don't care about heat maps, KOMs, goals, the blog, or other nifty Strava features. I don't need badges, challenges, or related features. I will miss filtered lists, but I will sadly live without them.
One more month until my Premium membership expires. I will renew when Strava provides this option. I will vote with my feet.
In general I like Strava Support, but I despair of their responses on this issue. From the slim evidence provided, they have negligible influence with product marketing or engineering.
If Strava management is listening (for which there is no evidence), the history of this feature request has been a dismal experience. The feature is not difficult to implement, and it is offered by the major competing platforms. I appreciate that it does not compete with the hot social features, but the cost-benefit seems clear.
To me Sunday is the start of the week. I would very much appreciate it if Strava makes this available as an option in the app and on the website. If not, this can become a deal breaker for me.
I think it would be a good idea if you took this a little more seriously. It is not a fun feature. It is a basic function of all your competitors apps and sites. There is an old saying: "either s**t or get off the pot" kid. Your attitude is holding strava back, there are many riders like me that are not upgrading because of unresponsive support.
@Elle: This "fun feature" has no utility if it isn't used to drive feature enhancements. The original request for this feature was 2.5 years ago. Your previous reply, essentially the same non-response as this one, was six months ago. At that time you were going to share insights with the product team. There are quite a few more comments now, nearly unanimous for the option to be implemented. This feature cannot be difficult to implement (and support of an engineering team has been offered by one person, if Strava is short of bandwidth). Please take some substantive action.
@Derek: Apparently the word "option" isn't part of standard grammar in your part of the civilized world. "I have what I want, F**K the rest of you" is a large part of what's wrong with the world. Get a grip.
Thanks to everyone for your comments. Your feedback is noted!
We love hearing what our users want to see on Strava in the future, but please remember that none of the ideas and requests listed here are guaranteed to be implemented. This is only a fun feature on our Support site to gauge user input on various ideas.
That said, we are listening, and will certainly consider your requests and see what we can do for this feature going forward.
Option for Sunday start please.
Where did you learn to come up with such flaccid replies? I think there's enough subscribers that want the OPTION of starting their week on Sunday vs. another day. Please just make it happen. I'm taken back that this is something that needs to be voted on. I'm a premium member and what I pay makes up a portion of your paycheck. This isn't a matter that needs to be turfed to Facebook or the social media team. Just let the code geeks know what the membership wants and have them make it happen. I hope you still appreciate member feedback.
Yes. Please do offer the option of starting the week on Sunday. Weeks that start on Monday suck.
yes I think the intent of this post from the beginning is to add options, not make a new default.
Monday makes a lot more sense. do add it as an option, but don't make sunday the default.
I may go out for a few moderate rides in the evenings after work and one big ride at the weekend (not week beginning) the big ride may occur on either Saturday or Sunday depending what else is going on that weekend. If the strava week starts on sunday then some weeks will have two major rides and some will have none, skewing my weekly strava milage. I am sure I am not alone in this, as most people work Monday to Friday with Saturday and sunday off
Yes, please include the option to start on Sunday.
It's bizarre that this hasn't been implemented after 2 years of users asking for it. It's a standard feature of every other fitness tracker I've used.
I just started using Strava and seeing the lack of communication from them on this simple request really makes me hesitant to upgrade my account to Premium.
Just allow the option to start the week Sunday or Monday like Garmin does. All the disagreement among responses to this shows that people have differing preferences. I live in the USA all my calendars are Sunday through Saturday, I would like my Strava account to give me that option. Live somewhere else? great! use Monday as a start date. God wants you to start your week on Monday? Fine choose that option. But at least give us the option. My training plans and weekly totals just don't add up with a Monday start. Please Strava, give us an option to start Sunday!
Well I was referred here by Elle, so she must still be keeping up. I would love the option to choose a different start day of the week (I would choose Sunday, but you could choose whatever you want). I suspect from Elle's silence she has nothing new to report. And so we wait...
Don't forget to vote for it at the top of the page!!!
Still no comment from Strava. Two more months until my Premium membership expires. That is not my desire, but it's the only leverage that I have. I will vote with my feet.
Only thing wrong with Strava is my calendar starts on the wrong day...
How about an update on this? I vote for Sunday option.
Option to align start of the work week other then a Monday would be great
Yes, please allow Sunday week starts. All my long runs in my entire 20 yr history of running have occurred on Sundays. Every training log I've ever kept, be it hardware or software (yes, Excel has been used) it was easy to set up the week to start on a Sunday. Having a low mileage all week, but knowing the last day of the week will add a bunch, is a bit disconcerting, and a significant annoyance. I've quit other versions of training logs for less. Please!
Sunday or the option to select either.
There is no reason to lobby, however emphatically, for a Monday start; that opportunity already exists. Some of the rest of us would like the option to start our training schedules on Sunday (or some other day), or at least display the calendar as is customary in our culture. That would do those of you who like to start on Monday no harm, but would be of some benefit to the rest. "There is no reason to change because I already have what I want" will come home to roost when the shoe is on the other foot. I would like to think that we would be gracious enough to lobby for the option that you would want, should the opportunity present itself. The operative word here is "option."
Meanwhile, no response from Strava. :(
Mine just downgraded as well, and no plans to upgrade until Sunday/Monday start of the week is an option. Thanks!
It's been two months since the promised sharing session with the product team. Please update the status of this issue.
I just downgraded my account, which will take effect at the end of my current paid subscription. I will renew my Premium account when I have the option to start my training week, monthly calendar display, and any other calendar-based features, on Sunday.
Agreed - The entirity of Europe works on a Monday as the start of the week, with saturday/sunday as the weekend (clue in the name), however the functionality to select which day of the week you wish your personal training week to start on would be beneficial.
+1, I personally don't understand why Garmin only allows three selections (Sat/Sun/Mon), I really think it should be any day based on individual preference. By the time you implement 2 days a week, or 3 like Garmin now has, might as well do them all for those people with *odd* work schedules (I used to have 2 days in the middle of the week off, so I started my routines on Thursday as I like to *end* my week with my long workout, I could then do that on my days off.) Just my .02 if this is going to ever really happen, do it better than Garmin has for a selling point.
Appreciate your thoughts on gaining more feedback in these forums, Richard. I'm not sure if we have considered using our Facebook page in this way. We have an awful lot of feature suggestions! However, I will pass this idea along to our social media team.
We will be sharing insights about feature suggestions with the product team this month. Thanks!
Thanks Elle. When is the next scheduled Support-Product sharing session? Please post the results of the discussion of this issue.
Very few people follow these forums. If Strava really wants comments and votes from the membership on this issue, please post on FB a note explaining the issue and requesting feedback, with a link to this forum. (I did so, but of course it disappeared immediately, since only the page owner is permitted to generate a new thread. I imagine that it was captured by the FB moderator, if you want to use it as a template.)
Hello Strava Users!
We love hearing what our users want to see on Strava in the future, but be sure to remember that none of the ideas and requests listed here are guaranteed to be implemented. This is only a fun feature on our Support site to gauge user input on various ideas. We so appreciate your feedback, and the more comments and votes on this particular request the better.
I don't have more specific information to pass along at this time, but we regularly share the activity on these forums with the Product team, so please keep the feedback coming.
this discussion is referenced, and I requested they respond to and in this thread.
Your service request is not public. If you haven't already done so, please reference this discussion in the ticket, and please ask that any responses be posted here.
I have just submitted a service request.
Perhaps a reply will be forthcoming.
Thanks Richard M., well summarised. Garmin, Sporttracks, Runkeeper, 2Peaks - I am sure there are many others have the option. It is merely an option requested, not a change of default. I suspect it is a basic design issue, but it would be good for Strava to come clean.
I, like you, will not be renewing my premium without it. The premium content is largely cycling related, so this little issue of starting my week on a Sunday is enough to not make it worthwhile.
I decided to go with a Sunday start some 30 years ago as I found it very motivational to have 30% of my week done after day 1 (Sunday long runs). Very easy then to get the weekly target. Leaving my long run to the last day of the week puts the pressure on, and there is no need for that! So, no papal encyclical, no biblical driver, no USA calendar phobia, just plain old "works for me".
Thanks again for the summary, but I suspect Strava is not particularly responsive.
From the beginning, the request has been for an option, not to replace the current start day with Sunday. In the same way that everyone does not subscribe to the USA calendar, everyone does not subscribe to papal dicta concerning appropriate activities for Sunday. Sunday is usually race day in the USA, not exactly a day of rest.
I was guilty of USA-centric bias in this forum five months ago, which I humbly corrected. Please stand down from non-USA-centric bias. Neither position is helpful to the discussion, which should not be about the "correct" start day for the week, but for the option to choose. Allow me to reiterate what I believe are the two salient points:
1. Start day of the week should be an option (at least Sunday or Monday, but why not any day?), in the same way that units-of-measure (statute or metric) and date-format are options. No one, including Pope Sylvester, would be inconvenienced by the option.
2. Strava should at least offer a response to this issue, which is now nearly two years old. Sample responses:
(a) We're working on it now. It will be included in the [date] release.
(b) It is on the roadmap, scheduled for the [date] release.
(c) Our design does not allow it. (This seems unlikely, but if it's the truth, at least it's a response.)
(d) The number of premium menbers interested in this issue is relatively small. When a significant proportion of the premium membership revolts, we'll reconsider.
(e) Something else that explains the lack of an option or acknowledgment of the issue.
Five months ago, in this forum, it was suggested that Strava poll the user base to gauge interest. Since a significant proportion of the Strava population is in the USA, I think the results would suggest that a Sunday option is a popular idea.
Personally, I may not renew my annual premium membership in August 2014 if this feature is not in place. For me, none of the myriad features introduced in the last year outweighs this lack. Vote with your feet.
"But the default should be SUNDAY - like the entire rest of the world."
If by "the entire rest of the world" you mean the USA, then yes. But if by "the entire rest of the world" you mean, er, everywhere that is not USA, then no.
I'm signed paying member on a month to month basis, not yearly. Tried and currently use a number of other sites, this is the only one I pay for. Pays to shop around for one you find most useful for your needs
Need to click on the "Like this" thumbs up at the top of the page, to climb the members priority ladder and carry more weight to get strava to look at change/new features, currently only 40 likes
Thanks for sharing, Derek. Very helpful information. Unfortunately, what is not helpful is the complete silence from Strava on this topic or numerous others. I came one click away from signing up for a paid membership but with memories of having been burned by MotionBased still fresh in my mind, I decided to hold off. Given that Strava does not understand the basics of communication with customers, I have decided to move on and am trying to like RideWithGPS. Not a great app - but they at least seem to listen to their customers.
Start of week depends on standards used as with miles/kilometers etc. etc
Personally I prefer Monday but would be good to have an option as we do for Date Format, Units and Measurements.
Here in NZ we changed from imperial to metric measurement in 1969. Around 95% of the world population adhere to metric units. Burma, Liberia, Somalia, United States I think are the exception
US versus ISO rules (International Organization for Standardization)
In the United States, the traditional week starts on Sunday. In other countries, especially in Europe, the beginning of the week starts on Monday. In most European countries the week numbering is based on the ISO standard which also applies the first day of the week to Monday. Although this difference seems to set the two standards clearly apart, the differences in week numbering between the American and European systems are more likely to appear when week numbers fall across the end or beginning of a year. The ISO week numbering standard are based on these rules: • An ISO week will always have seven days that can contain days from the current month as well as the next month. This is true of days that overlap from the last and first months of the year. • A week cannot be broken; there are no partial weeks that contain only four or five days. • The ISO week always starts on Monday and ends on Sunday.
I thought it interesting that in the "From Earth to Saturn - 2013 Strava Milestones" email we all received on January 1st, under the heading "Activities throughout the week", both graphs used "Sunday to Saturday" as the horizontal axis :)
Someone at Strava obviously agrees with this thread!
It is a shame that no-one at Strava will talk about it. Just a simple message saying "our internal technical design stops us", or "all the reporting is had coded", or "we do it this way so you must too" would do the trick.
Starting the week on Monday is totally ridiculous. If you want to give people that as an option, fine. But the default should be SUNDAY - like the entire rest of the world.
Okay, so I looked it up. Pope Sylvester I (314-335AD), decrees the transfer of Sabbath rest to Sunday.
Foolish me, living in the 21st century, yes, let's set Strava according to the 4th century rest day.
Sunday is not the 7th day of the week. It never has been until the papacy openly changed it. So if you're quoting the Bible, you might want to get that one right :)
Monday is the first day of the week!
God created the world, and on the 7th day (i.e., SUNDAY) he rested.
You should be resting as well on Sunday.
Ready to start the week afresh.
Monday would normally be regarded as the start of the week where I live. The key point, however, is that regardless of the convention followed by one's country of residence, athletes do not necessarily align the start of their 'micro-cycle' with the conventional start of the week. Bizarre as it might sound, I'd actually choose Tuesday if I could! For this reason, I think it should be possible to choose an arbitrary day of the week as the first.
Sunday is the beginning of my week.
OK, I stand (and pedal uphill) corrected. By "western world" I meant coastal segments of Washington, Oregon, and California (where Strava is HQ'd). :)
I respect that Monday should be an option, possibly even the default option, depending on the distribution of the Strava population. Perhaps the default could be based on one's geolocation. :)
The point of the request is that it is not an option; it is a mandate. Having the option would increase the happiness of a significant portion of the Strava population, at a relatively minor cost, and with no degradation for those who prefer Monday.
@Richard M - what do you mean by "western world"? Calendars start on Monday in Europe, Oceania, South America, parts of Africa and most of Asia. US and Canada start their calendars on Sunday, but those two countries only account for 5% of the world's population. In addition, Monday being the first day of the week is an ISO standard.
I don't mean to discredit the request, but I understand why Strava has Monday as the standard option :-)
I don't mind Monday start as an option, but as dictum it's a bit much. Very difficult to understand this design decision. Nearly every calendar in the western world starts on Sunday.
It's been 18 months since this request was first made. There has been no response or acknowledgement of the issue by Strava. How difficult can this be? I imagine that there are quite a few software engineers in this forum, who would be willing to come on board as contractors for a few days to make this happen. Russell Hughes explicitly offered (presumably free) resources to assist in the effort.
Take a poll of the user base to see the real level of support for this -- the current thread is just the number of people who spent the time to find it and write comments.
SUNDAY start, please!
Starting on a Monday just feels wrong. I have 25 years of training diaries all starting on a Sunday. considering most people do their long run on a Sunday the extra miles gets the week off to a positive start, I know a lot of runners who have a rest day on Mondays - who wants to start their week with a rest day? Please consider making the day we start our week optional! Thank you
I am a premium member, why can't I start the week on the first day of the week? Please provide an answer. Thanks
Could someone from Strava please add a comment and let us know if this feature is under consideration. It certainly would not be difficult - I could even lend you one of my developers if you need resources.
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