suggested this on February 27, 2012 02:22 PM
This would allow segments to be filtered to view only results by bike type, thus separating mountain bike versus road bike segments results.
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Yes, absolutely! I need to be able to categorize my rides as either road bike, mountain bike or trainer ride.
Once this is available, I will most definitely sign up for premium.
Yes Please! I like this platform better than Endomondo, but they have the mountain bikers covered...
This would be great. We definately need to seperate the road bikes from the mountain bikes.
This would be great to be able to filter by bike type. It is kind of hard to see how you far against other Fixed Speed bikes in NYC. If you do add a Fixed Gear/Single speed you would have to add the ratio as well like 48 x 16 ect...
Would love to see this, there's two segments I regularly ride that run alongside a road and roadies are regularly tripping it (despite it wandering over 10m from it at some points).
+1 I use my MTB on the roads and cannot compete with the speed of a road bike!
one more !!!
Could you create a divide the cycling ride in two categories: mountain bike and road ride ?Thanks
definitely plus 1
As Arnie would say.... Do it.... do it now!
Sure i'd vote for this. Although it isnt so clear cut as mtb or road bike. There are various stages in between. Slick tyres, 2x10 roadie setups, hybrid bikes etc. The only way for 'direct' comparison of rider ability is to use the same bike. That aint gonna happen.
Yes please! Mountain vs Road bike would be great!
I laughed at the fact that you can pick between Nordic, Alpine, Backcountry, and Roller skiing, but not between Mountain and Road biking.
i think it's mandatory for a mainly bicycle orientated website to support more than just 1 bicycle type!! (as P. Costa Leal already said, i'm also always surprised that you have like 10 different things for hiking and so on, but not the main sports supported!)
I agree.... I in fact I would like to be able to explore segments by type. I ride a mtb and when explore I have to wade through road rides to get to the dirt trails. I would be nice to just select "Mtn" or "Road" as segment type and then futher be able to compare times of MTB bikers on road segments. Yes some bikes can blur the lines between Mtn and road, but alot of this on the honor system anyway. You can always figure a way to cheat or game the system, but then you are only fooling yourself.
Lacking this essentially screws anybody riding a MTB on a paved trail. It also makes it impossible for MTB people who might have a dirt trail segement/climb that sits in close proximity to a paved climb. This should have been fixed long ago as a core item to support, to quote a Strava employee, "the competitive aspect of the leaderboards".
I also find it very difficult to create a new segment for a mountain bike ride. The problem is the inability to zoom in on the map close enough to figure out where to place the start and finish points.
This makes it very difficult to decide where the beginning of a climb begins or where the top of the hill is. Most mountain bike sections don't start at a cross-road that is easy to determine. Alternatively, if I"m in the woods, it's very hard to know where the beginning or end of a section is. These issues would be helped if the maps were more mountain bike friendly or at least we could zoom in closer to determine the geography of the nearby land, ie, the top of hill, etc.
Tom - What myself and friends often do is walk perpendicular from the track in places where we want to start and finish a segment, this makes it very easy to pick out on your trace later on. Yes it ruins the flow etc but it's a foolproof method. Strava would have to spend a lot more on their mapping to have the capabilities you're asking for.
You can also use the LAP feature on your Garmin. Mark a Lap point at the start of the segment, then mark it again at the end. You can create a new segment from a Lap
I don't think there's a way yet to create a segment from a lap, although that would be a great feature. (Or did I just miss how to do it?)
There used to be a 'Publish' link when you viewed a lap - sort of there with IE but not visible at all with Firefox - dunno what is going on there
Definitely need this, I do a bit of road cycling on my MTB and see no reason why I should be compared to the road bikers on segment leaderboards.
In theory yes, this solves the disadvantage mtb riders have on the black stuff. But where does a hybrid sit? Where does my fixed sit? It has risers but wheels like a road bike.
If you're worried about being top on the road that much, they get fitter or buy a more appropriate bike.This request reminds me of "silly commuter racing". Look it up!
Then include even more bike types, if your so worried about your bike not fitting a certain category, then just don't filter on bike type at all like it is now, it's not like you have to use every feature implemented.
It would be great to be able to filter a Segment for a KOM separating a SIngle Speed KOM from a geared KOM.
I would also like to see the bike type used in the activity feed. The possibility to upload a picture of my gear will be a nice feature too, it could be shown below the profile image in the activity feed..
Definitely need to be able to filter by type of cycling -- mountain, road, or cross
I lost my KOM to a coworker with an electric bike...this seems unfair! We should be able to classify our bikes and performance by category to prevent this!
What on earth does someone with an electric bike have to do on Strava?
A handful of us are bicycle commuters, so we compete via Strava for the various hills on our route...now one guy at work with an electric bike Strava'd his ride up the hill and took our trophy! He is far enough ahead of us that we don't stand a chance of taking the trophy back, so technically he has a trophy and technically he says it is still a bike but...anyway, it would be nice to be able to classify the bikes used more finely to compete apples to apples.
I also lost my KOM to a guy on a motorcycle and a woman with a jetpack.
A simple thing would be to allow a "remove from KOM consideration" checkbox. Yes, you can do this with "private" rides or by marking things as "workout" but I think it makes sense to allow people to police themselves to a large degree. Especially would be nice if you could default this for people who always ride with electric bikes or do a lot of motorpacing.
I also agree that more types (such as motorcycling, electric biking, mopeding, or whatever) would be good to have.
Road and mountain at the very least.
I know you can't please everyone, but it would be great if you could add Unicycle to the Activity Type or at least make it a type of Bike.
+1 to the above.... as well as being able to filter segments by bike type It would be nice to be able to categorise the segments themselves.
Initially it could just be 'Road' or 'Offroad'. Further development of the explore feature should then allow mountain bikers to filter only offroad segments and then stand a chance of competing for KOMs. Later it can be developed further to also filter climbs vs downhill sections.
"I would be happy if you just had a different coloured marker for road segments and another for non hard surface roads. Please! It would make the "explore" feature much better esp when you are in a new area. Cheers, awesome app!"
+1 Would be very helpful.
For start, mountain bikes vs. road bikes.
Fellow MTB rider here, just joined. I can only echo everything that's been said already. Some kind of basic categorisation is essential. Currently the leaderboards are meaningless (and depressing) for us non-roadies. I'd caution against introducing too much fragmentation but road vs MTB as an absolute minimum.
The offroad / onroad distinction could be nice but doesn't solve the leaderboard problem - a lot of MTB guys (myself included) will do a pure road route - the sustained output (and massive resistance!) makes good training.
YES PLEASE!!! Would be great!!! Can't wait....about time!!!
I'd like to be able to filter My Results by my bikes. My best results are all on my weekend roadie, I'd like to be able to filter for my weekday commuter.
As a web and mobile developer this is soooo frustrating for me. It would be really simple to just add a feature (particularly on the iPhone, I've not used Garmins, etc) where, at the end of a ride when the app asks if you want to save the activity as a ride or run it could simply ask which of your saved equipment was used; MTB, Road bike, etc.
The other thing related to this stream would be the ability to search for segments and filter off road only, road only or both.
Come on guys, you're better than this.
I'm not enthusiastic about this idea. A bike is a bike. There is a wide spectrum of bike types between road and MTB. Dividing cycling into two camps may be convenient for those who think that way--but I don't. I do a lot of dirt riding on my road bike, sometimes going to places where only MTBs go. I like that I can compare my performance on a road bike with those on MTBs.
But I would like to have the ability to click on somebody's bike and see the details on their equipment. I like that we can spend some time geeking out on our gear, retiring old components, entering new ones. But currently, this seems to be a private excercise. I'd like it to be more social.
You've misunderstood the whole thing, we're talking about an added feature, a filtering OPTION, if you want all kinds of bikes mixed then you just wouldn't use this feature.
Thanks, Torgeir. That makes a lot more sense.
Yes, I regularly ride both my geared full-suspension 26er and my rigid single speed 29er on the same trails and would like to be able to sort my results based on the bike I'm riding. Just another column on the "My Results" page would be perfect for me.
This would greatly enhance the explore feature.
Great feature, fair comparison!
I agree, but in my opinion it should not be on "bike type" but on "track/trial type". If a mountain-biker wants to ride a road segment: go ahead. If I want to use my road bike on a mountain-bike trail, why shouldn't I (well, I shouldn't because I'll probably wreck my bike or need to clean it for the next 5 hours)
I think some of you guys are missing the point that some of us mountain bikers are making. I ride only on trails, but I ride these trails on two or more different styles of bikes. My geared 26in bike is faster on some types of trails and my single speed 29er is faster at climbing, so it would be really useful and fun for me to be able to sort my times by the type of bicycle I was riding at the time. Thanks for listening!
+1 to the filtering. I ride to segments sometimes and hate to see the road go to dirt. I ride a road bike exclusively. Thanks!!
Bob, the problem with doing trail type is that there are many places where Dirt & Road show up on the same segment. Even though they might be 20 feet or more apart, because Strava doesn't have very good accuracy, there's no way to separate those two so all you have to go on is Bike Type.
This request is currently ranked 4th on the list of User Desired changes, but it's been floating out there for 9 months. I doubt this will ever be implemented at this point. Strava seems to be slow implementing new features users want, instead going for changes they want, like newer, harder to read, feeds. ): It's disappointing, but at least they provide an API so that other sites can pick up the slack. Sure would be nice to see these features in the existing website though.
Please do this.
+1 for me. Split segments for MTB and Race please!
this is a stupid idea. You all should start running if you want peoples gear to be even. Thats not what cycling is about.
It's obvious you have no idea what this is about, which makes it somewhat obvious where the stupid moniker applies. There are already filters by weight, age, sex, people, clubs, etc. This is just a request for another way to filter the data on the site. KOMs are still singular with no regard for any filters.
Only problem with relying on the filtering, is that some people 'blindly' upload, ie don't change any checkboxes or settings, just upload. So the results would be flawed.
I think the filtering would be useful for separating segments though, then when using segment explore, you could separate ' MTB and road' the same way as 'Ride and Run' are currently separated. Would reduce clutter and allow only the desired segments to load on map.
If we follow Sam's suggestion above on classification of Segments (which I support) I would think we would need:
2) Pave bike path
3) Off road track (multi-use paths, forest roads, farm tracks - the kind of thing you can do on a cross bike with ease)
4) Single-track (also include gnarly widetrack that is too rough for cross bikes)
5) Mixed terrain (Potentially a bit of everything for long segments)
Actually this might be simplified further to:
2) Track (Cyclocross bike capable)
3) Track (MTB)
4) Mixed Terrain
+1 from me too.
Plugging the need for uni-cycle. The speed and ride characteristics of a uni are completely different than a bi-cycle of any type. Benchmarking against bicycles is irrelevant.
I found this topic thinking that I would like to see the explore tab be able to filter dirt or paved segments. but dirt bike and road bike may be an easier solution. This could be done by strava simply accessing the riders on the trail and those who declare there bikes could be declared generally as road or mtb. I think that if there is 70% more road bikes than mtb it is probably paved. The algorithm needs work but a fix needs to happen. I don't want to see road segments when I am trying to plan a good mtb ride. It becomes annoying and frustrating making me want to pursue other websites to plan my ride.
IT, figure this out, or I am going to write a website to compete with you that does this.
Come on Strava. Don't over-think this one. I don't know of anyone opposed to the general idea. I think you will satisfy 75% of us right away if you just add the one select-able attribute. [On Road / Off Road / Both]
All the other stuff can be hashed out as you see fit but the basic need is to be able to filter out Road from Dirt rides just like I can specify which bike I rode when uploading ride data.
I don't own a road bike and I don't want to see all that roadie stuff just like rider who is exclusively road doesn't want to see all my off road antics.
Same here, but the other way around. I ride road-only and also use quite a lot paved cycling path's in the forest, where off course are a lot of MTB trails as well. I think a split is a must and should be easy to implement.
This categorization could get a bit all too much ! Those towing kids (and various dog varieties) in Cougar Chariots
may feel they need their own category too.!
I favour just MTB, road bike, and exotica categories
Absolutely! In my area (Western mountains of North Carolina), there are plenty of gravel roads that you can't ride a road bike on but that show up as segments right next to road segments. Searching for new rides, I've planned routes out that I am not able to actually ride on.
Rich, I think it would be hard to implement differently graded segments properly, its relying too much on individual users to correctly determine and set it, and I believe that a lot of users will be likely to do this incorrectly or overlook and ignore it.
What about adding a filter to the leader board as they already have for gender?
Map my ride has more ride categories. There should at a minimum be road versus mountain here as well. MMR has some features I like over Strava but Strava is much easier on the battery than MMR. A 2 hour ride on MMR would drain 50% of my battery, with Strava it is 20% at most.
I'd just like to say "Yes, please!" for this filtering (mountain vs. road) feature too! Even when I break a PR on one of my segments, I'm still so far down on the list under the road guys and girls its hard to enjoy the competitive side of the app. I also agree with some of the comments above. Since the majority of my rides are commutes, it would be difficult to have to go in and modify my rides as I'm usually pressed for time before work. Just a default "bike type" setting that stays with my profile until I change it would be out-STAND-ing. Killer, app, BTW!
Hey Strava - When is this going to happen? This request is now over a year old. Today is actually the 13 month anniversary? Is there anything holding this back? Clearly its something the people want. Thanks!
Yes, I would also very much appreciate this feature. You have several types of skiing while only a single type of biking ("ride".) Please provide this. Thanks!
Filtering by gender makes sense, as Strava awards both KOM and QOM.
Filter by bike type - yes please. I ride a recumbent, sometimes with a front fairing for even more aero performance. Strava currently showcases the bike, but is unfair to compare the performance with a road bike. An aero/time-trial category would be a start.
While on the aero theme, what makes a massive difference is wind on a segment and bunch riding versus solo, but cannot see easy way to deal with that.
Anyway, filter by bike type with some basic categories (incl. recumbent, please) would be a start. Filter by gender also a good idea.
Ah, yes. See that filter by gender is there already.
+1 for differentiating segment types. When I'm looking for new segments for my road bike, those segments up along the hiking trails are as useless to me as the running segments. Back before many of the the mountain-bikers infected joined Strava, this wasn't a problem. But now, when I go to the "Explore" section, over half of the segments found are on dirt trails.
Jasper, I think you're confusing "segments" with "efforts". A "segment" is the actual course; just a string of GPS coordinates which you follow. An "effort" is an actual ride that takes place along a segment. As such, I don't see how a segment could be designated for just recumbent (unless it went under really low bridges). A particular effort might have been done with a recumbent, or with/without faring, but segments will generally break down into either "road" or "trail" types.
Also, regarding your concern about group-vs-solo riding, there already is a (hotly-debated, I should add) thread about marking efforts as group/solo and maintaining separate leaderboards for those who didn't have the advantage of drafting (https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/21098972-Designate-between-a-Group-and-a-Solo-ride-on-Strava)
Joe, yes, I should have been more careful with my words. What is needed is to be able to filter the leaderboard for a segment by bike type used etc. as per the main thrust of this thread. Marking segments as being more suited to specific bike types is kind of a separate discussion.
Yeah, would be really good to be able to see how you match up to other cyclists on same bike type. I ride fixed and have to compare myself to geared bikes. Which is cool but I will never bear a good road cyclist over a long distance, so getting a fixed gear KOM for a segment would be great, or an overall KOM if your quicker than anyone.
I feel this would be a logistical nightmare. I guess as a simple filter it's ok, but not separate leaderboards for each. Next thing you know they'll have to filter by older road bike vs new carbon bike. And full suspension vs hardtail. And wind vs no wind. And group ride vs no group ride. Then by temperature outside. The possibilities for people to get picky are endless. There is a lot of so cooler stuff Strava could be doing vs working on a request like this.
It seems like the comments have strayed a bit from what I thought was the original intent of this request. This is a really simple thing Strava could do and would NOT be a "logistical nightmare" in any way. All I want is an extra column in the leaderboard display that lists the bike used on that ride. Strava already provides a field for "bike" and I use that field to differentiate between rides on my rigid singlespeed vs my geared full-suspension. Leave the leaderboards alone, so that KOM's and aren't dependent on equipment or anything else. I just want to easily see which bike I was riding on a given ride, from the leaderboard display. Easy peasy, right? Does Strava read any of these posts? I've been watching this one for a year!
I think things have strayed as well. When I first commented on this string, I was talking about exploring new and different segments in my area. Because I live in the mountains (NC), many of the segments that looked like good rides turned out to be only doable on a mountain bike. This ranges from trails and paths to gravel roads. Clearly, I can’t ride my rode bike on the trails and I wouldn’t ride down a gravel road on my skinny tires. I was simply asking to differentiate the segments so we could identify routes that are suitable for different kinds of bikes.
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