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Filter Segment Leaderboard by bike type

Rosie
suggested this on February 27, 2012, 2:22 PM

This would allow segments to be filtered to view only results by bike type, thus separating mountain bike versus road bike segments results.

To vote for expanded options on the types of bikes added to Strava, go here

 

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Jerry Shields

It seems that they are worried that people will cheat and specify a Mt Bike when they actually rode a Road Bike. However I don't buy that argument as a reason to not do the filter at all. You can cheat on almost any of the filter criteria. It does seem like a no brainer that this SHOULD be easy to implement.

March 26, 2015, 9:45 AM
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Oğuzhan Yavuz

It's interesting to see such a simple feature still does not exist. If we can filter like 65-75kg riders in leaderboard, why can't we filter bike type as well?

March 26, 2015, 5:11 AM
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Alan Zamagna
MTB, MTB, MTB, MTB, MTB! Lets do this Strava
March 23, 2015, 12:22 PM
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Marc Ellis

Please do it!

March 5, 2015, 3:33 PM
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Stuart Pegg

How can there be so many comments and votes and yet nothing showing as planned? This has been here since 2012!? And there are several linked suggestions!

I'm not renewing my premium membership until this simple functionality to differentiate between road and mountain biking is added and reflected in Leaderboards.

February 24, 2015, 8:00 AM
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Lucas Janin

Please do it !!!

February 23, 2015, 8:41 PM
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Gav Storie

Since Ellie has had nothing to say on the subject since the summer of last year.. It's fair to say that Strava aren't interested in entering discussions about this "issue". Unlike the annual achievements fiasco..

 

I'm still uploading to strava but i'm finding that I am using other services far more these days...

February 16, 2015, 3:20 AM
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Christopher M.

583 people agree, 3 pages of discussion, NO ACTION, what's the point?

 

February 14, 2015, 3:00 AM
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Paul Hynes

It would be nice to flag rides as a cyclocross ride and see who you were competing against on the trails on that type of bike.  Or also to see how you compared against yourself on the cyclocross bike vs the mountain bike.

 

February 13, 2015, 3:17 PM
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Steve Broyles

seems that we've already got this partway fixed:  I choose which bike I ride every time I ride.   all we have to do is add "bike type" to the bike description.    

Sure, it can be subdivided pretty deeply.  lumping and splitting is always a challenge.    yet can't we agree that there are mountain bikes, road bikes, and crossovers?    beyond that, let people subdivide the bikes any way they want by adding checkboxes to the bike description - clipless pedals?   fixed gear?  disc brakes?  red handlebar grips? -  i don't care what option you want to check.... i can sort by it if I choose to sort by it, or not.    

I'm more interested to see segment stats based on bike type than I am based on 30 yr old vs. 50 yr old.    When I'm riding my MTB on a road somewhere, I'd like to see how I'm doing against other 28lb knobby tire bikes, not so much how I'm doing against feather-weight road bikes.    I'm confident that they (the road bikes) are also not that interested in how fast I can get down a fire road on which they wouldn't like to ride.

 

 

January 22, 2015, 10:18 AM
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Michael K.
Great idea, both the type of bike and adding new types of bikes are needed.. Also 3 global heat maps. The one that is currently used, one for pavement rides, and one for dirt rides. I look at the heat map to find places to ride, sometimes when I get there with my road bike, I am looking at nice trails for my hardtail.
January 21, 2015, 6:13 PM
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Christoph B.

+1

January 21, 2015, 1:48 AM
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Brander D.

MTB, MTB, MTB, MTB, MTB! Lets do this Strava

January 20, 2015, 10:28 AM
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Chris Boocock

+1 for Matt's comment re: improving the search facility to find rides by bike type. Tried this a while ago without success.

January 15, 2015, 3:42 AM
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Daniel Connelly

First, Garmin Connect is hardly an example to be emulated.  I think we all us Strava because it's so much better.  But by "hopeless" I mean that when I look at a leaderboard to be able to trust that the listed bike types are valid is "hopeless".  If you want it just for your own book-keeping, there's other ways Strava could do that, like the ability to enter arbitrary keywords for each activity.  Then you can enter anything you want: MTB vs road bike, caffeinated versus uncaffeinated, whatever.

 

January 14, 2015, 10:18 AM
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Matt Niednagel

Strava: the simplest way to implement this would be to allow the "search" feature under activities to search the bike type field - then I could search for my own personal bike type designations, and Strava doesn't have to bother creating a million different subtype labels.
For those suggesting this is "pointless," because you can endlessly subdivide bike types, what world do you train in?
Serious cyclists - the ones who actually give a rat's *ss about training data - are going to be riding on a handful of performance bikes: road, trailbike, hardtail, cyclocross ...
The data is meaningful in seeing how much time / mileage you've devoted to various disciplines, and it is also a *huge* help in keeping track of component wear:
If I know how many miles my hardtail has, I know how close I am to a chain replacement, or conversely, whether that SRAM chain did in fact wear out or break in half the time of a Shimano.
If unicycle & clown-bike riders want to go to the trouble of logging their mile, swell, but they are not the target audience for a site like Strava, much less training data analysis tools.

January 14, 2015, 10:15 AM
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Matt Niednagel

Strava: please implement a sort filter for bike type - Garmin can do this, so should Strava.
For those suggesting this is "pointless," because you can endlessly subdivide bike types, what world do you train in?
Serious cyclists - the ones who actually give a rat's *ss about training data - are going to be riding on a handful of performance bikes: road, trailbike, hardtail, cyclocross ...
The data is meaningful in seeing how much time / mileage you've devoted to various disciplines, and it is also a *huge* help in keeping track of component wear:
If I know how many miles my hardtail has, I know how close I am to a chain replacement, or conversely, whether that SRAM chain did in fact wear out or break in half the time of a Shimano.
If unicycle & clown-bike riders want to go to the trouble of logging their mile, swell, but they are not the target audience for a site like Strava, much less training data analysis tools.

January 14, 2015, 10:12 AM
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Daniel Connelly

This suggestion is hopeless because of two factors.  One is it relies on self-reporting, which is extremely unreliable when people rush to upload activities.  Second is that bikes come in a continuum of designs, and while some are clearly "mountain" or "road" what do you do with cross bikes?  Then there's BMX, rando bikes, touring bikes, gravel bikes, cruisers, hybrids, "all-arounders", mutant fixies... it's simply not possible to come up with clearly differentiated categories.  So in the end up have simply another piece of useless, inaccurate data...

January 3, 2015, 10:36 AM
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Jaime Nelson

This would be great... why doesn't Strava listen to users? I think these pages are just to let us vent and wait for a change, but they are never read by anyone besides other users. Strava developers never read these, or if they do, they really don't care. A minifeed feature? What the fuck does that do to help me train??? How does a minifeed motivate me to get out on the bike and work harder? or analyze my performance? It doesn't. It is an attempt to make Strava more like facebook, with minute by minute updates for what other people are doing. I want to see how I did on the CX trail that is 2 meters from the road... without having to stack up with the 10K road riders who are NOT dismounting and running over the obstacles. Filters or different leaderboard... I don't care. I just want to see how I did against people doing MY sport. I also want goals for vertical meters climbed per week. Just because I rode 160 km a week doesn't necessarily mean much for me, as my events and my goals are often measured in vertical feet climbed. Why can't I set a goal for VAM? I can set goals for distance and power, is the vertical feet climbed so different to track? Three years I've been waiting... nothing. Nearly two years for THIS great idea. Nothing. Strava developers care more about their techy ideas than what the athletes and users want. 

December 31, 2014, 9:08 AM
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Erik Jorrick

Just add selectors to be toggled before starting a ride - mountain, road, cyclocross, run...

December 2, 2014, 3:45 PM
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Jerry Shields

I would like to see Strava use the bike type from my Garmin (1000) to automatically populate the bike type of my ride. That's one less edit I have to do every time the ride is auto-uploaded. When I start my ride on the Garmin I have already specified which bike I'm using so it seems a shame to have to enter this yet again after the upload. I'm using the automatic wifi upload via the Garmin website linked to my Strava account). I switch a lot between my Mt bike and my road bike so this would help in keeping the rides from being mis-catagorized.

December 1, 2014, 1:33 PM
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Bill P.

@Gav,

Filters aren't a waste of time on looking at data already in the system. The key here is to use 'SUB-TYPE' of Activity to designate the bike type used on an activity. For general rides the sub-type can be left blank (so you don't have to edit those two years) and you'll still appear on 'Riding' leaderboards - but if you filter the leaderboard (or challenge or whatever) on sub-type of 'Road' you'll only see your rides that you designated as 'Road'. 

99.99% of my rides have been on elliptical bike (ElliptiGO) - so it would be type to edit the 'SUB-TYPE' on mass - e.g. select-all - mark as Elliptical - then by rides will still be on leaderboard with all blank, Road or MTB (or other bike types - e.g. tandem, unicycle etc) - but if I want to see how I stack up against all other ellipticals - I use that sub-type filter.

This also allows clubs to be setup with sub-type filled in - so only those bike types get counted - so your MTB club isn't polluted by road rides for example.

Anyway.... that's how I'd see it working and I've been saying the same thing for over a year without any official response from Strava - to my mind this is a doable feature addition which provides all the users asking for different bike types good support - without any downside to users. The database SW Engineers at Strava will have work to do - but I think everything would be backwards compatible.

December 1, 2014, 11:31 AM
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Gav Storie

Filters are a wast of time... It would be better having it as a different activity. 

BUT

I'm guessing that the reason strava want to set it as a fiter is because it will be easier to incorporate previous data that way... I dont fancy going back through 2 years of rides changing the activity types

December 1, 2014, 10:35 AM
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Fabio Catelli
Add filter MTB/road bike
November 23, 2014, 3:42 PM
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David Hogg
Yup, ride type world be a great addition, like you have for snow sports and specifically skiing.

November 14, 2014, 12:18 AM
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slim harpo

I initially considered that, but I don't think it's workable unless you have two phones?

November 10, 2014, 5:02 AM
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Matthew Bright

Have two accounts, one for MTB one for road.

November 9, 2014, 6:05 AM
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slim harpo
That's a very cumbersome way to go about it, though, isn't it? I just want to hit the stop button on the phone and then find out whether I've set any PRs for my winter bike (on same route as summer bike) without having to go online and faffing about.
October 26, 2014, 2:32 PM
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Douglas Kubler

@Michael Robison There is a way to reach your goal.   Bring up the segment display then click on "My Results".  All your segment times are listed in order.  The hardest task is now to CTRL-click on each ride link (opens a new tab) and find the first MTB ride.  

October 26, 2014, 1:54 PM
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Flagged As H.

According to Bryns logic Strava itself is "unworkable"

October 26, 2014, 10:10 AM
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Flagged As H.

@ bryn awesome point but there are plenty of times ive ridden my mtb on the same roads as my road bike and my road bike has the faster times. i want to know my fastest MTB speed on the segment instead of my fastest overall..  and if you want to get technical... whats stopping me from riding an e bike, motorcycle, etc and recording it as a bicycle??

October 26, 2014, 10:08 AM
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Bryn Davies

Just one question for all of you here saying you want this filter:

What will stop me setting my bike as Rally Chopper for every stage I ride, both on and off road?

And before anybody replies "it just for my own filtering", presumably you know what bike you just did that off road downhill on? 

I have said it before, but I will say it again, this seems unworkable.

October 25, 2014, 4:23 PM
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Ronald V.

Two suggestions

1) let users select the surface of segments (for new AND existing segments); it will improve the route planner quickly and improve the quality of data for spatial planners

2) filter leaderboards by ride type eg. cycling discipline; at least make a difference between mountainbiking, road biking and a category 'other cycling discipline'

I think these will be major improvements for Strava

 

 

 

October 21, 2014, 10:09 AM
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Phil Wood

how is this update option going to have filtering on MTB / road bikes    main reason is I also road ride on my MTB  the main reason I would love to see the bike type is to just see how well i ride against people on Rodies  :)  

October 18, 2014, 3:29 AM
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Flagged As H.
this would be perfect for roads that have trails running along the side of them
October 13, 2014, 10:54 AM
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Steve Weir

This would be a very worthwhile feature.

Currently we see all our efforts on different bikes mixed up.

As Strava allready has the information about which bike we are on I would think it could be done without too much bother.

October 10, 2014, 12:01 AM
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Richard dooxie

don't forget to consider recumbent bicycles and velomobiles

October 7, 2014, 6:32 AM
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Douglas Kubler

Filtering by bike type won't work for Strava in general.  About half of Strava riders don't list any bike at all.  Others are prone to make mistakes. 

If you want to see your personal segment stats by bike there is a method.

Sign up on VeloViewer.com.  The site will retrieve all your data (once you give permission).  Among the many features is the history of your rides on each segment. Every bit of data is listed including "Gear" which is the bike you used on that segment.  Click the "Gear" column and the bikes will be sorted.   

Once you see your data click the "Donate" button. LOL

(This is a road segment but the surface is so cracked and twisted I'm better with MTB's. Scored 7th of 1700. I like a challenge)

October 4, 2014, 4:02 PM
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Michael Kaderle
OK I see that putting a type field for road, or mountain bike appears to hard
October 1, 2014, 2:05 AM
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Funkbreaks _

+1

September 30, 2014, 12:44 AM
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Lynn Robinson
Absolutely!!! A tandem category should be added as well. I'm tired of all of my rides getting flagged and having to make them private, thus robbing me of miles on my profile and challenges.
September 15, 2014, 3:59 PM
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Doug Janni

I've come to the conclusion these threads and suggestions go NO where. This one has been around for almost 3 years now with some really great suggestions... and nothing has come of it.

September 15, 2014, 9:04 AM
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Måns Ejhed

Really love to have the feature to see segments relativ my different bikes. 

September 14, 2014, 10:49 PM
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Mick Thain

A great idea , in the local hills we have a few MTB trails that run alongside a road ,they are clearly MTB segments but  the top 20 or so places are taken by roadies , why they dont delete their times when they realise they have done a 3 minute segment in seconds i dont know , perhaps they like seeing their names up there?please guys if its not yours delefe it

September 12, 2014, 4:49 AM
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Mick Thain

A great idea , in the local hills we have a few MTB trails that run alongside a road ,they are clearly MTB segments but  the top 20 or so places are taken by roadies , why they dont delete their times when they realise they have done a 3 minute segment in seconds i dont know , perhaps they like seeing their names up there?please guys if its not yours delefe it

September 12, 2014, 4:49 AM
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Mick Thain

A great idea , in the local hills we have a few MTB trails that run alongside a road ,they are clearly MTB segments but  the top 20 or so places are taken by roadies , why they dont delete their times when they realise they have done a 3 minute segment in seconds i dont know , perhaps they like seeing their names up there?please guys if its not yours delefe it

September 12, 2014, 4:46 AM
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Bill P.

Cross posting this into the 3 main feature request threads 1) filter segments by bike type 2) differentiate between bike type 3) add bike type

All these could be well served by full support of SUB-ACTIVITY TYPE - e.g. Ride->Road Bike, or Ride->MTB or Ride->Elliptical

The main thing I want is to be able to compare my rides on my ElliptiGO (Elliptical Cycle) with riders on normal bikes AS WELL AS only have ElliptiGO rides in our club. This would be really useful and I don't see why it is so hard - clubs and challenges can be set up with top level Ride or Run or Ski or whatever - and ALSO with sub-type if wanted. That way - normal 'how many miles ridden this month' challenges still show ALL sub ride types - but you could do a 'unicycle miles' challenge on a month - or elevation gain or whatever. When you set up clubs - you should also be able to specify major activity type - run/ride etc - AND subtype - that way a person can ride normal bike and elliptical or recumbent or whatever and have no pollution onto club boards. Clubs that don't care don't set the sub-type.

I think e-bikes should be a different activity and NOT a sub-type as assisted cycling (faster than fastest road bike) pollutes normal rides.

 

Finally - you should be able to filter any leaderboard by sub-type. BUT I don't believe in designating segments as road vs mtb vs whatever - the segment is the segment - its a route from A to B - its up to you how ride or run it - BUT the filtering by sub-type will get people the results they want.

September 4, 2014, 10:41 AM
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Christopher M.

Just a filter that showed segments ridden on mountain bikes would be really good for now.

 

August 20, 2014, 1:48 PM
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Cr3an Machin3

yep defo. Probably option of Road, MTB, Hybrid or <cough> <cough? Fixed Gear...LOL. Sure thrown BMX in there too. Just kidding ! Road and MTB will do.

August 20, 2014, 6:55 AM
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Jimm Pratt

Definitely agree on this one.  It's also similar to the May 2014 petition for at least extra categories for velomobiles and recumbents at https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/36592414.  Too many of our KOMs get flagged just because we can do certain segments faster than uprights.

August 11, 2014, 2:32 AM
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Robert Clark

+1 [Back to the top of the pile please]

August 9, 2014, 1:33 AM
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lee wakefield

I notice this is still not yet "planned" :(

August 3, 2014, 3:14 PM
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Reinhard P.

absolutely! This was the 1st missing feature that came to my mind and it got even more painful since (some days I want to hunt for segments with the MTB, on other days again, it's a race bike ride...

August 2, 2014, 5:31 AM
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Jerry Shields

This makes a lot of sense since you can't compare mt bike rides with road bike rides. The bike type should also be a filer on most of the pages that list multiple rides.

July 30, 2014, 5:30 PM
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Doug Janni

Singletracks.com just posted an article on this :)
http://www.singletracks.com/blog/gps/5-ways-to-make-strava-more-use...

July 28, 2014, 7:43 AM
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Eric H.

Warning: somewhat long post ahead…

 

It's great to hear there's finally some progress on this. I've made a couple comments before but have recently been putting some thoughts into how this feature request could best be implemented. Being able to categorize data and segment times comes down to a few different yet related items: bike type, segment type, and leaderboards rankings.

 

 

On the subject of categorizing different bikes you could make each type or family of bikes their own activity type with their own separate leaderboards or second option, keep everything under the cycling activity and use the bike type data only for custom filtered leaderboards similar to ones currently available to filter by age group, weight categories, etc. Either one of those options would meet the objective of being able to show how a rider stacks up compared to other riders on similar bike types.

 

One big downside to the approach of separating activities with their own leaderboards would be a scenario if you ride a CX or MTB on the road to get to your favorite trail and want to see how you stack up in a quick sprint against a road bike on a road segment. If the activity leaderboards were different you could create a duplicate/similar "MTB road" segment for that MTB activity but that still wouldn't show how you stack up against the road riders on their segment if the leaderboards are unique.

 

It would make more sense to have one overarching cycling leaderboard than trying to completely separate the activity types with their own leaderboards. Even if you wanted to do that, how would the historic data get handled if there were activities already uploaded where a user didn't select a bike type? You wouldn't want to drop the data from the leaderboards just because a user couldn't or didn't mark the bike in their profile correctly and you wouldn't want to force users to go back and update potentially hundreds of rides.

 

That's not to say you couldn't offer custom views of filtered leaderboards based on bike type ridden just like the filtered leaderboards currently available to view by age groups, weight groups, a leaderboard showing only your activities, etc., but no matter what Strava should maintain and users be able to see an all-riders, all-bike type board.

 

That would let a user see how they stack up overall or just against their bike of choice. By keeping the one, all-encompassing leaderboard, if a user didn't have a bike type selected on old or newly uploaded rides they would still get ranked just as they would today (only showing on the all-riders, all-bikes board). Then perhaps offer an option in the user's profile settings that when they opens one of their activity/rides where they selected a bike type they can default to showing the road leaderboard if they were on a road bike ride, a MTB leaderboard if they were on a MTB and so on, or set it to default to the all-bike type leaderboard (but would still be able to manually view/change just like how the different age, weight, etc. leaderboard are currently selected).

 

 

That's all implementation type issues and how to capture and display/sort/filter data. The big concern a lot of people seem to have is if you offer options to view new and different types of filtered leaderboards for different bike types, should top-ten and KOM/QOM trophies be awarded for each leaderboard/activity/bike type or only against the overall, all-rider, all-bikes type leaderboard?

 

Part of me agrees with the right tool for the job analogy, but on the other hand if a strong rider on a lightweight road bike manages to sweep all the KOMs or top-ten cup/trophies on a segment while another group of strong mountain bike riders also ride the same segment and are compete against others, there's a good chance they may never get a top-ten overall finish and might have less incentive to keep improving.

 

There's a certain group of users that would view giving out multiple KOMs for the same segment as devaluing their achievement (i.e. you want the KOM, get stronger and buy the right equipment). There are others Strava users that don't take any leaderboard seriously, with a "they're just 'virtual' trophies anyway" mentality who use Strava for other reasons such as to track their training or miles, just to map their rides, etc. And there's yet another group who would like to compete against similar bike types and want to be rewarded for their effort compared to others on the same bike type.

 

An analogy for the last one would be in track and field where a 100-meter sprinter (i.e. road biker) might have overall faster speed than someone doing the 400-meter hurdles (i.e. MTB rider). In the course of their races both will cross the same 100-meter section of the track (i.e. using the same segment), but they're not directly competing (i.e. different leaderboards).

 

One view or opinion isn't right or wrong and there likely won't be a single perfect solution for everyone but there is room to compromise. My suggestion relies on basic leaderboard filtering being implemented and requires that there be the option to view bike type/family-specific leaderboards as well as an overall, all-riders, all-bike type leaderboard.

 

For the faster rider on a segment the overall KOM/QOM could get a yellow crown icon similar to the current one on the web site but modify it with a wreath/crest around the crown to signify overall fastest. Then use a similarly modified yellow trophy cup with a wreath/crest around it for the other overall top-ten fastest riders irrespective of bike type.

 

Then for each for each of the different bike types award a "basic" KOM/QOM crown or trophy without a wreath/crest around it and use a different color for each bike family, such as red crown/trophy for road bike types, brown for CX/MTB type bikes, etc. Alternatively you could have only one overall KOM/QOM crown and use a new "1st place cup" trophy for the different bike types on that segment that are fastest only on their leaderboard.

 

That would offer a quick way to look at an activity page for a club or the people you're following on your dashboard page and see what type of award they earned. To further differentiate the overall fastest riders irrespective of bike type, in the two-line "best" achievement summary shown under the activity, instead of just showing "KOM" or a "5th cup" trophy after the segment name and time it could read "Overall KOM" or "Overall" 5th cup trophy. If a rider was 2nd overall for the MTB leaderboard and 9th on the overall fastest leaderboard you could display both icons.

 

In the end, the group that favors having only one KOM/QOM can still get their accomplishments highlighted and emphasized. Perhaps make it that if you directly open a segment page outside of an activity that you road (e.g. browsing and opening a segment on another rider's page) default to the all-riders, all-bike type leaderboard showing the overall KOM/QOM. The user could then switch to a different filtered view by bike type if they choose.

 

The other riders who want to have awards/accomplishments as compared to other similar bike types also get something. A competitive nature doesn't have to be a bad thing and having metrics to judge your abilities by (filtered leaderboards) and more chances to earn an achievement (different cup/trophies based on bike types) can push more people to try harder and become better riders. There has to be a compromise or you risk alienating a large group of Strava users who may or may not share the same viewpoint and likely won't change their minds.

 

Yes, implementing this would result in seeing more people getting top position awards on the activity stream and dashboard pages. At least you'd be able to differentiate the rankings and if a segment truly is a mountain bike-only type trail or a road bike-only effort there shouldn't be that many riders using the "wrong" bike type for that segment. If there are a ton of them, then they can compete against each other while you walk away with the overall ranking.

 

 

Side note: I think this would satisfy most users with exception of how to handle recumbent and velomobiles. Back to the "best tool for the job", one extreme could argue they should be ranked equally on the overall leaderboard but I get the feeling most Strava users and even a majority of the riders on those types of bikes don't want that (and are tired of being flagged). For them I'd say it would make sense to offer a completely different activity group with their own, separate leaderboards. Then if possible offer them the ability to view a filtered, all-bike, all-rides type view including their type of bike so they can compare their times against all bike types as long as their ride data doesn't populate the "regular" upright/two-wheel "cycling" activity that road, mountain, CX, etc. bikes fall under.

 

Second somewhat related, segment side note: If the site is being updated it would be great to add a tag or option when creating or editing a segment to define if it as "mostly pavement", "mostly dirt" or something similar. That way a user could find segments they might want to ride on the segment explorer and combined with above changes, they could then open a segment and filter down results to see what a certain type of bike does on that segment (CX, MTB, etc.) and what to shoot for.

 

Third and last tangent: There's still a somewhat common scenario already brought where you have two different segments that run parallel to each other, say one on a road and the other on a dirt trail right next to it. Due to low GPS resolution/accuracy it may not be technically possible for Strava to automatically determine which one you should be matched to.

 

The only work-around I can think of would be to offer the ability to create a segment where a user has to opt-in on each activity (ride) page in order to be matched instead of automatically getting matched when uploading an activity or based off historical ride data people have uploaded. Require the "dirt" or "pavement" tags when selecting this type of opt-in segment so a rider could identify which one it is (and hopefully the creator uses a good naming convention).

 

The segment could still show up on the ride/activity summary page along with their other segments but it wouldn't have a leaderboard until the user opened it and opted in. If another rider opted in and was clearly on the wrong segment another user could still flag that activity, or better yet, also implement the ability to flag an individual segment of another user's ride/activity instead of their whole ride.

 

July 23, 2014, 6:17 PM
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Elle Anderson
Community Support

Thanks Eric - Please feel free and try a repost now. 

July 23, 2014, 5:42 PM
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Eric H.
Could an admin please delete my last comment and I'll try to repost again with paragraph breaks in a different browser. Apparently pasting from a word processor doesn't work so well. Sorry for the wall of text.
July 23, 2014, 4:25 PM
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slim harpo

On the Cycle Show last week, an MTB pro did a downhill section on a road bike and beat an ex-pro road racer who was using a MTB by 15 seconds (on a2-min or so time). So it can be done!

July 23, 2014, 6:45 AM
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lee wakefield

Tim, I really like your picture, it is pretty much precisely what I had in mind.  

I agree with your comments about there only being one KOM myself.  I understand that each bike has it's strengths and weaknesses, for example, steep hills will favor the lightweight road bike, technical single-track will favor the MTB and the flat roads will favor the recumbent riders and one should select the best bike for a certain segment to have a chance of getting a KOM.  I know I'm almost never going to get a KOM on a steep hill with my 25kg tricycle recumbent but to be honest I'm not bothered as I know it's not the best tool for that kind of segment.  I like your analogy of not taking a knife to a gun fight however there are some riders out there (not sure how many or what percentage) who consider that using a bike which is faster than theirs is "cheating" somehow.  I've had quite a few rides flagged over the years (possibly 100+ flags), I've tediously un-flagged each ride by cropping a small amount off the start of each ride and even then I've had some rides flagged multiple times, as have many of my friends.  One of my mates have even re-named one of his rides "Stop flagging this ride" (and it still gets flagged).  I wondering if a simple filter as pictured would be enough to please the ride flaggers and put an end to these stupid flagging wars?  Two users who I know are displeased with recumbent rides is http://www.strava.com/athletes/1571 and http://www.strava.com/athletes/995677 It maybe worth asking them what would please them?

July 21, 2014, 9:10 AM
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Doug Janni

Tim, we are most likely on the same page then. I sort of joined up with this discussion since it was similar, but I'm more interested in filters of some sort like you described. I personally don't care that much about labeling segments a "mountain" or a "road" bike segment... hey, if someone can take their road or CX bike on a mountain bike trail and get the KOM, then good for them!

July 21, 2014, 8:13 AM
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Big LBellski™

Just want to clarify something. We are NOT talking about changing KOM/QOM in any way, are we?? (like adding KOM-MTB!?) A KOM is a KOM, regardless of bike type, surface, weather, the "type" or ride, what you had for breakfast, or who you were with. It just is. You are either the fastest person to the top on (two) wheels, or you aren't.

If I set a ride type to "Off Road", then crush a road segment on my way to the trails... shouldn't I get my KOM for that segment?

So:

Ride Type: Activity meta data used for stats and categorizing activity (annual miles, monthly elevation, etc), club logs, etc...

Segment Surface (Type): Segment meta data used for route planning and discovery. Set by the segment creator or those who have ridden it. Single-track, asphalt, double-track, cobble... etc.

Bike Type: Activity meta data used for filtering THE leader-board for a segment.

Time: The only thing that determines KOM.

 

July 21, 2014, 7:46 AM
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Tim Rowe
@Doug Janni

I'm a Mountain biker and a member of mountain bike clubs. Like many other members of my mountain bike clubs. I also road ride and I compete in cyclocross races.

I believe there is more potential in a filter system. For a Mtn Bike club page, I believe it would be better if the club could set a default filter to view only mtb activities. Like wise, a road cycling club could set a default filter to only show the road cycling activities. A Cyclocross goup could defaut the filter to cx only. A unicyclist club filter only unicycling activities and so on.

With the filter options, club members could then also compare themselves against other club members for different bike types without leaving the club page.

The creation of Mountain biking as a separate activity rather than a filter places limitations on possibilities and creates duplication of segments.

Like I said, I am a Mountain Biker but almost everything they are asking for in the other thread can be achieved through a filter system. The only real problem is when a road segment runs parallel to a dirt segment and they pick each other up. Maybe a fix for that is when a segment surface is determined as dirt, it could apply a exclusion filter to road style bikes that are not intended for dirt activities.
July 21, 2014, 7:30 AM
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Doug Janni

Tim Rowe, I don't agree on your comment that you don't think mountain biking should be it's own activity. Nearly everyone I know use Strava for mountain biking in addition to road biking. We have a local Strava club page that is for a MOUNTAIN BIKE club... yet it shows road bike rides for everyone in it. Kind of ridiculous for a mountain bike club wouldn't you say?

July 21, 2014, 6:50 AM
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slim harpo

I realise you can add a tag after the event to show which bike was being used, but adding a tag before the ride starts so that you're only comparing your times on the segments with your PRs set on the same bike would be ideal. Because as far as I can tell, there's no way to get results showing your PRs set on your different bikes on the same course - I can commute the same roads using a carbon road bike, cyclocross or MTB...

July 21, 2014, 6:44 AM
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Tim Rowe

I have attached an image to this comment that shows off something similar to what I would like to see. In the Main leaderboard it shows which bike everyone was using for that ride. On the left you can then filter the leader board to one or more specific bike types (potentially a premium feature). I would like to see more bikes added to the my Gear section.

You DO NOT believe you should get KOM for being first with your bike type. You do not take a knife to a gun fight.

I DO NOT want the bike type used to determine the surface of a segment. Locally there are segments that are road, but majority of the leader board would be Mountain bikers.

I don't think Mountain biking as a separate activity is needed. What is needed is Mountain bike specific Challenges. This could be done by the challange requiring a specific bike type/s be used to complete the challenge. i.e. Ride 100km in one ride on a Mountain Bike.

July 21, 2014, 6:33 AM
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Anthony Cree

Elle - yes, good ideas!  Now if they can be implemented without a(nother) multi year wait...

Way back in the early days of Strava a user could tag rides with various descriptive terms.  Once again, a feature that disappeared with no explanation.

 

July 17, 2014, 2:47 PM
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Elle Anderson
Community Support

What do you guys think about creating "Ride Type Tags" like Road, Mountain, Cyclocross, Commute, Time Trail, Track, Tandem, Recumbent, Hand Cycle, Velomobile... you see my point. (These could look and function exactly like the current Run type tags you see for Race, Long Run, Workout). Then, if you select a tag Strava will automatically prompt to you select a bike from your "My Gear" page to fit that tag, or to create a new bike. If you select a bike first, Strava will automatically select the correct ride type tag (which would also happen by default for whatever bike type you have set as the default). 

(Do you think this would create problems if someone takes their mountain bike on pavement only? Would they want to classify a ride as a "Road ride" even if you're on you MTB? What about a Tandem Mountain Bike?)

Switch to the Segment Leaderboards, where you could filter by each ride type tag (which is essentially matched to bike type). This means that Mountain Bikers can compare their times, as well as each other ride type group.

The Ride Type tag that is selected would determine language on the Activity Feed, social media, Training Logs, etc.  to help visually identify the type of ride. 

Just a few of my own ideas to throw out there! 

July 17, 2014, 1:38 PM
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Tony Apuzzo

I am another fan of having surface metadata (dirt, pavement, cobbles, mud, sand, whatever) AND bike metadata.

One suggestion to avoid the "wrong bike" problem would be make the default bike it's own category (e.g., "open") this could work kind of like Strava does today with Power.  If you have a power-meter, then the power information is known, otherwise it is "estimated".  Similarly, you would only get bike-type information if you specifically select the bike type. In addition, if you don't specify the bike type, then that activity would be eligible only for "open" class leaderboards.  Perhaps making the bike-specific leaderboards premium-only would also cut down on bad data in the narrower leaderboards.

Once you start distinguishing between bike types, then other metadata it would be nice to have would be "group", "solo", and "motorpaced" ride metrics.

July 16, 2014, 3:15 PM
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lee wakefield

Many thanks Elle Anderson for finally doing something about this after 2 years, me and many friends have been wanting a solution for a while now.  I understand the caveat about not selecting the correct bike a ride but if we notice a ride done on an incorrect bike then we could use the "flag this activity" button, then on the list of things to do to fix the flag there should be an option to change the bike.  Me and many of my friends ride recumbent bikes and we have a lot of trouble with rides being flagged as our bikes are not on the list of available bikes.  Please see the picture of what my inbox can sometimes look like.  Any solution which puts an end to the excessive flagging of my rides would be appreciated .

I personally would not want MTB/TT etc to be totally separate activities as I'd like to be able to see my total mileage ridden on all bikes and also use the same segments.

Being able to differentiate between road and MTB in the route builder would be a big plus for me and make the route builder much more useful if I know it's not going to send me down dirt tracks on a narrow tyred bike.  Something else I would find massively useful is if I can filter the global heat-map (http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#6/-78.18516/37.07384/blue/bike) by road or MTB as that will make the global heat-map more useful for route planning. 

July 16, 2014, 2:42 PM
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Aldo Martinez

Let's please start with a simple step:

Categories:

MTB

Hybrid

Road

TT

To avoid falling into the logistical nightmare, can I suggest to include a button at the beggining of the workout that allows to select the bike AND then provide a confirmation message BEFORE saving the ride to confirm the bike... that's two opportunities for the user to select the correct bike type.

July 16, 2014, 6:34 AM
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Jochen vA

100% agree to Doug! 

July 16, 2014, 6:25 AM
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Doug Janni

I would say to keep it as simple as possible for the first change - differentiating between "road" and "mountain" would be the most logical step. Getting into individual bike type within those main categories is where it would get trickier. You could now do the same thing with mountain too... fat bike, 29er, single speed, etc.

So starting with just "road" and "mountain" separation is probably a good change.

July 16, 2014, 6:21 AM
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slim harpo

Yeah, no time to read all pages but although I'm not too bothered about comparing my times to other people's bike choices as in the summer I'm almost always on the carbon road bike, I'd like to be able to see my own separate PBs for my road bike, winter CC bike and MTB. I'm about to upgrade to premium (assuming the flag as hazardous debacle is sorted out) but was just gonna do this on a monthly basis as there's no point being on Premium when you're riding one of your slow bikes. Separate 'accounts' that still let you see PBs for each bike type would be a great idea to keep the motivation going throughout the cold and rain...

July 16, 2014, 6:04 AM
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Jochen vA

Count me in! I definitely vote to distinguish between major bike categories (MTB, road bike, hybrid, fixie.... )

July 15, 2014, 10:01 PM
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Big LBellski™

So the distinctions (as I understand them) are: 

1) Type of SEGMENT ("Road" or "MTB" possibly linked to "surface" though that gets complex) <--- objective, HELPFUL new info not currently collected in Strava (but used in competitors like Garmin's new segment feature)

2) Type of BIKE used (Various) <--- objective, Info collected by strava already (voluntarily) but not used in any way for filters (only for calories burned??)

3) Type of  ACTIVITY  ("road bike ride" or "mountain bike ride" )  <-- subjective, and tricky: What if I ride 3 miles on road to a 6 mile trail, then 3 road miles home? Ie is a road ride on my mountain bike a road activity or a mtb activity and vice versa?

 

#1 -- SUPER useful for route finding / segment exploration. PLEASE let me hide road segments when I'm looking for MTB segments in an area.

#2 --  A) fun for comparison sake, B) easy to implement a filter (those without that field filled get tossed in the "unknown" category), C) could be used to help inform an automatic determination of #1 (eg 90% of riders used a MTB on this segment... its probably a trail segment...) and  D) would clear up cases where a road segment and a trail segment are side-by-side and Strava records your times on both. <---( for instances like this, it would be great to have a "I didn't ride this segment" button that pulls your time off whatever leaderboard, and gives feedback to Strava that there needs to be tighter parsing of tracks in that area... but I digress)

#3 --  has large margin of error... Just note the myriad of impressive fast 'runs' that turn out to be 'rides' mis-labeled. And what do you do when someone rides a trail on their road bike and labels it a road ride?

In short: if I ride a trail segment, it doesn't matter what bike I'm on, or what I was doing before and after... I should be able to compare my time to everyone who has ridden that segment, filtering by bike class if I so choose. But knowing it's a trail segment before I get out there could make the difference between a great day and a disaster. 

July 15, 2014, 9:03 PM
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Drastique .

Hi Elle,

There is one other request that has been mentioned a few times in this thread: the ability to filter My Results for a segment by bike used. You could swap the existing rider name column for bike name and allow a filter. That way I those with more than one MTB can see which was quicker through a particular section of trail, or in my case I can split my weekday commuter from my weekend roadie.

 

July 15, 2014, 7:17 PM
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Elle Anderson
Community Support

Hi folks! We're gearing up to work on some new segment leaderboard improvements later this summer, and so your feedback regarding segments and bike type used is valuable. Please share this with your friends so we can gather more comments! There are a few separate topics I see here:

- Ability to filter a segment leaderboard by bike type listed on the activity page: If we go by the options in the "My Gear" settings page, this could be for Road Bike/Mountain Bike/TT Bike/Cyclocross Bike. Of course, this list doesn't include all bike types (there is a separate feedback thread for that here). The one caveat is that not all users may select the appropriate bike for their activity. There is another feature suggestion that mountain biking should be it's own activity type. 

Award a unique achievement icon for the fastest time for each bike type: This would expand on the above concept, but also be limited by user's entering the correct bike type. 

Designate segments as pavement or dirt: You can find a discussion on this here (please post your comments in the appropriate forum). Perhaps this could be automatically designated by which bike type is assigned to the majority of the activities that match the segment? 

Show Terrain type (dirt/pavement) in Strava Route builder: There is also a separate discussion forum for this topic here and here (please post your comments in the appropriate forum). Perhaps the segment designation above could feed into Route builder to allow this information to be communicated. 

Let me know if I missed any other feedback trends covered here, keep the comments coming!

July 15, 2014, 5:29 PM
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Aldo Martinez

After looking at improving my times with my Road bike (and compete against other's best times),  I've discovered that I have absolutely no chance of matching certain riders because they are riding with triathlon bikes! The physics simply aren't there... it does not matter how much I want to upgrade my bike's components, I will never be able to beat those times. 

 

The current filters (age and weight) help to narrow my comparisons  but the significant time differences VS riders on aero bikes remain. BTW - I figured they ride aero bikes because their profile pictures but I can't tell for sure).

It should not be a big problem to add one button (at the beginning of the ride) to enter our bike type (Mountain, Hybrid, Road, Aero). Alternatively, STRAVA can work magic behind the scenes (as they are doing it already by incorporating my age, gender data into my workouts) and create an extra filter.

 

A longer term addition that I would also like to see is wheels types and sizes (OK, this may be too much).

July 11, 2014, 3:43 PM
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Campi qui pugui

Una cosa son melocotones y otra nectarinas, se parecen pero no son lo mismo, Strava debería diferenciar BTT/MTB de ciclismo de carretera .... 

July 11, 2014, 4:21 AM
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Stuart Hall

I'll add another voice here - I appreciate the difficulties in categorising -  e.g. road vs mountain, or do you go the whole hog and differentiate between Road, TT, cyclocross, rigid MTB, hard-tail, full-sus, Enduro etc. etc.

That said, as a mountain biker I find many (most?) segments in Strava to be useless to me for comparison and even a basic "mountain vs road" would help a great deal here. Sorry guys, but other services offer a more granular breakdown, so I think it's something that will increasingly alienate non-road riders. I won't go premium without it, as the benefit just isn't there for me.

In fact, I prefer Endomondo's approach to fitness analysis, so if the segments don't work, that's Strava big USP out of the window for me. Shame :/

July 9, 2014, 2:23 AM
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Big LBellski™

http://www.strava.com/segments/6104062

Dirt segment parallels bike path. Combined leader board = useless.

July 4, 2014, 8:14 AM
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Jonathan Nellis

Definitely want to see an icon at the minimum next to each time showing the type of bicycle.  When I am riding a road bike, I don't care about the times of those who are riding TT bicycles.  When I ride a TT bicycle I don't care about the times of those riding recumbents.  They don't share the same lap record time between F1 and supersport motorcycles for a reason - it would be pointless to do so.  If I am out riding my road bike and get a 3rd best time, I want to be able to see an icon by the top 2 times showing a depiction of a road/tt/recumbent/full suspension/hardtail/rigid/cyclocross/etc..  Otherwise what's the point of the rankings even existing unless you happen to use the fastest type of bicycle?  They are the only ones who get any useful information out of the current system.  This would also be great for things like mountain biking trails because you could immediately see what type of bicycle works best on that particular trail.  Then, you could filter the leaderboard by your bicycle type to see what place you are compared to others on the same type of bicycle.  Anyway, just a thought.   Seems it would be easy enough to add one more column next to speed and time.  It would only have to be big enough for a small icon.

July 2, 2014, 8:03 PM
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Rich Webb

Hello,

I love this app. It is excellent, but to be able to dististingush between on and off road riding would be excellent. Do it by bike type, or segment colour - either way it would help you plan your routes more efficiently, as I am not keen on riding roads too much. It's hard work on a bike that weights 20kg and has knobbly slugs for tyres. Give me dirt any day. YEAH!

July 2, 2014, 6:47 AM
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Eduardo Prates

My opinion about the feature - yes, it would be extremely useful to compare road vs off-road performance independent on the trail you're on. I'd like to eventually see my overall average on speed between my road bike vs my mountain bike and compare with others, apples to apples, oranges to oranges, the same way we can divide by age group and weight.

@Strava - why in the world is it taking so long (over 2 years!) for you to position yourself on this discussion string? It's obvious that there is great support for this feature and it will be well accepted by the great majority. PLEASE RESPOND!

@Grumpy Flumps - just as you are still perplexed at this filter request, I am also amazed at the time you have devoted in criticizing it. For whatever reasons you have for not supporting it, if it ever becomes integrated, simply don't use it!

June 20, 2014, 5:51 PM
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Doug Janni

Well having a filter for mountain bike on a "road segment" sounds stupid, yes. But I think this goes hand-in-hand with other things. Like my situation... I part run a mountain bike club and we just started a Strava Club page for our mountain bike club... but a lot of the people myself included also road bike ride. So It's kind of dumb to have road rides show up in a mountain bike club. Well, if they made a way to separate out "mountain biking" as an activity or even allow clubs to filter by bike type, it would work (in my case). 

June 20, 2014, 2:39 PM
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Bryn Davies

@Doug

If you are obviously on a mountain bike when on a mountain bike trail..., then why do you need a filter?!

From reading most of the comments here what you say isn't correct, people want the filter for when they are riding their mountain bike on the road, which is where the "cheating" come to play.

June 20, 2014, 2:05 PM
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Doug Janni

Grumpy Flumps... you would really take you road bike on a mountain bike trail? They aren't all super smooth. And if you did that just to get a KOM then you would be a cheater and most likely be called out on it. Mountain bike segments would obviously be on mountain bike trails and not the road.

June 19, 2014, 5:38 PM
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Tony Apuzzo

This request is sort of a mishmash of a few different desires. Perhaps it should be retired and new requests built that more closely reflect the various desires.  Essentially, people want to be able to correlate their personal performance and others' self-reported performances based on the equipment they used.  Strava KOM is never going to be a certification, it is always going to be subject to various types of cheating, so it is essentially a good-faith number.  However, it would be VERY NICE to be able to filter segments based on mountain-bike or road-bike and it would be VERY NICE to be able to see if I'm faster on my full-suspension MTB or my hard-tail MTB or my road-bike or my TT-bike over the same segments.  Now that Strava has route builder, it would be even better if you could exclude MTB segments from the router (or include them if you're trying to build a MTB route, which is currently almost impossible with the existing tool.)  For people who ride recumbents, it would be nice for them to be able to exclude themselves from the mainstream leaderboards as well since recumbent bikes have a technological advantage on most roads.  Personally, I'd like to see Strava add a whole bunch more activity types (motorcycling, sailing, track-cycling, pack-riding, brevet, TT, team-TT, etc.) but I suspect they're trying to balance ease of use for the common situation with geeks who want to measure everything.

June 19, 2014, 3:20 PM
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Bryn Davies

-1

I am still perplexed by this filter request. If this filter is implemented, what is to stop me from blitzing a segment on my road bike and then claiming I was on my mountain bike?  Thus getting the mountain bike "KOM"?*

 (*it would seem that getting the KOM by drafting in a group or behind a bus is okay, so there would be little shame in pretending I was on my other bike.)

Even between different mountain bikes there is a world of difference between each bike, so what would the filter tell you?  "yay, I'm the best rider on a full sus-bike with 27.5 inch 2.1 wheels and a carbon frame, yay!"  But wait..., should there be a 29" wheel filter?....

It's at best unworkable and at worst pointless.

June 19, 2014, 3:00 PM
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Doug Janni

I would also like this, and then it could be used by Strava Clubs as well. There is no reason to show road rides in a mountain bike Strava Club, and vise-verse.

June 17, 2014, 11:21 AM
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Nicolas Piette

I agree at 1000% !!

and a specific challenge for MTB would be great too!

i only use Strava with my Cannondale MTB and i'm so sad that MTB are not even existing on Strava :-(

Tx

Daguet

June 11, 2014, 11:02 AM
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Ashley Smith

Definitely need to separate road and mtb just like running and cycling are separated.  Its pretty obvious that the road guys do around double the miles of the dirt guys for a similar work out.  Not always the case though.  A few MTB guys I follow are doing road bike type miles.   Point is its very hard to know who was riding what and they are completely different. Especially when you look at year to date or all time miles ridden. It makes those numbers very hard to compare. 

June 2, 2014, 2:24 PM
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Chuck Taylor

ditto

June 2, 2014, 1:52 PM
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Chuck Taylor

me too!!!

June 2, 2014, 12:48 PM
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Daim Warner
Please update Starve with bike types. I'd update to Premium immediately if that feature was available!
June 2, 2014, 9:23 AM
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Steven Hebetac

Road & Mountain bike filtering is a must. Why has this been going on for 2 years now!

May 15, 2014, 2:38 AM
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Chris Boocock

Yes please - I've not read the whole thread but I share Mike Duff's comment above (May 09, 2014 05:39 AM) and Drastique's comments of about a year back (May 27, 2013 11:39 PM):

//3".Filtering personal results by bike ridden so if you ride more than one bike you can see how you went on each"//

I'd like that too please - lots of bikes including tandems and it'd be nice to be able to separate my rides by bike.

May 12, 2014, 4:12 PM
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Mike Duff

I would support this for sure.  I often ride the same segments, but on a variety of different bikes.  My winter road bike has much harder gearing, and a good 2kg more weight than my summer racer, so I would be keen to filter my performances by bike used (not just type of bike road/mtb/fixed, but by which of my bikes I have used).

May 9, 2014, 5:39 AM
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Patrick Green

Come on Strava - we ride MTB or road, 2 different disciplines, very different!

May 7, 2014, 11:22 PM